This week Kiki tells us about a murder that involves cons, alien queens, alien vanquishers, and maybe some cannibalism. What can we say? New Mexico's wierd. Then Rachel brings us the disappearance of Luis Antonio Alderete-Martinez. We also went way off topic with Fatal Attraction, Kiki's inner goblin, and, oddly, the Stoics. We also get a little more detailed about our New Year resolutions.
Our next book is "Among the Bros: A Fraternity Crime Story" by Max Marshall. We will discuss the book in episode 8, which will go live on January 31, 2024.
Here's and interview with Max Marshall:
Crime Reads (https://crimereads.com/max-marshall-among-the-bros-interview/)
Sources:
For Luis Antonio Alderete-Martinez:
Missingkids.org
For Girlie Chew Hossencroft:
Charmed to Death - Season 1 ep 8 "Alien Queen Killer"
Sins and Secrets - Season 1 ep 5 "Albuquerque"
Socials:
Instagram: Details Are Sketchy - @details.are.sketchy
Facebook: Details Are Sketchy - @details.are.sketchy.2023
Instagram: Kiki - @kikileona84
Instagram: Rachel - @eeniemanimeenienailz
Email: details.are.sketchy.pod@gmail.com
This week Kiki tells us about a murder that involves cons, alien queens, alien vanquishers, and maybe some cannibalism. What can we say? New Mexico's wierd. Then Rachel brings us the disappearance of Luis Antonio Alderete-Martinez. We also went way off topic with Fatal Attraction, Kiki's inner goblin, and, oddly, the Stoics. We also get a little more detailed about our New Year resolutions.
Our next book is "Among the Bros: A Fraternity Crime Story" by Max Marshall. We will discuss the book in episode 8, which will go live on January 31, 2024.
Here's and interview with Max Marshall:
Crime Reads (https://crimereads.com/max-marshall-among-the-bros-interview/)
Sources:
For Luis Antonio Alderete-Martinez:
Missingkids.org
For Girlie Chew Hossencroft:
Charmed to Death - Season 1 ep 8 "Alien Queen Killer"
Sins and Secrets - Season 1 ep 5 "Albuquerque"
Socials:
Instagram: Details Are Sketchy - @details.are.sketchy
Facebook: Details Are Sketchy - @details.are.sketchy.2023
Instagram: Kiki - @kikileona84
Instagram: Rachel - @eeniemanimeenienailz
Email: details.are.sketchy.pod@gmail.com
I'm Kiki and I'm Rachel, and this is Details Are Sketchy, a True Crime Podcast, and this is our seventh episode, episode seven yes, and we're doing our usual missing person that's Rachel. This week, my case, it's all about aliens. It's very exciting. And then more about the missing person and then we do some gossip.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:All right.
Speaker 2:Go ahead, rachel. Okay, so my missing person that I want to talk about today is Luis Antonio Aldoarte Martinez. So he's just a little boy. He went missing on June 1st 2015 from El Paso, texas, at the age of three, so he would be 11 years old today, and he has black hair, brown eyes, he is Latine, with a medium tone complexion, and he is suspected to be in the company of his mother, regina Martinez, and they are suspected to possibly be in Mexico.
Speaker 1:So wait, I'm sorry. So this is like a parental kidnapping.
Speaker 2:Correct. Okay, so I'll give a little bit more information about Luis and the details about his case later on in the episode.
Speaker 1:Awesome If you can hear that weird sound, and if you're a Star Trek fan, you know what that sound is. It's because my friend keeps texting me, so, and even though I have the sound off, it seems to still be making noise. That's okay.
Speaker 2:No, that's been happening on my phone too. I was telling you. I turned all the sound off, yeah, and I saw buzzes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she's coming by with some Christmas cookies. We are recording this prior to Christmas, trying to get ahead of the game a little bit before I go back to teaching 10 classes and losing my mind.
Speaker 2:But you'll be hearing this mid-January.
Speaker 1:Yes, I think the 17th. Okay, so you're going to talk more about little Luis.
Speaker 2:Luis.
Speaker 1:Luis, luis, luis. Okay, little Luis, when I'm done talking about my case.
Speaker 2:Yes, so take it away, kiki, all right.
Speaker 1:I am going to talk about girly chew or the murder, Possible murder. That's probably a murder of girly chew. This is a fun story as far as murders can be fun because it involves a lot of things. It involves intrigue, affairs, fraud, murder, aliens, conspiracy theories, brainwashing and possibly even cannibalism.
Speaker 2:Okay, I'm here to hear about it.
Speaker 1:Awesome. All right, so you grew up in Malaysia and she. Apparently it depends on the source you look at. She either came to the US on a trip by herself or she did it yearly with a friend. There is a lot of differing details between the sources, anyway. So on this trip to the US she met Dyson Hossinkoft at a San Diego aquarium. He was also a tourist at the time. He is very much a charmer, as you'll see later, and he charmed girly, telling her that she's beautiful and all of that kind of stuff. And he also told girly that he was a doctor and had done research in genetics and in other fields of science. He had several letters following his name, including PhD, mba and MD. So girly thinks she's really lucked out. She's caught the eye of not only an American but a successful American doctor.
Speaker 2:Is he a?
Speaker 1:scammer, yes. So Dyson continues to woo girly even after she returns to Malaysia and she falls in love with him. She agrees to marry him and move to Albuquerque, new Mexico.
Speaker 2:A fine city.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so Dyson has a private practice that specializes in revolutionary new treatments for women with inoperable cancer.
Speaker 2:Lucky us Sure, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Women paid him a lot of money to be their physician. It was common to hear that he was a uniquely skilled doctor who was not only, I'm sorry who was the only one who could save lives.
Speaker 2:You know, I mean scammers are all shitheads, but fake doctor scammers are a special kind of shithead.
Speaker 1:Yes, they are. Just wait, it gets better. He would talk about a breakthrough technology that he invented or was inventing, which seemed pretty fantastical. He said that this tech could change the structure of human beings from carbon-based to some other form. What form, so? What kind it just said some other form, I don't know. And look, his invention or his medical tech differed on who you talk to. That's what he told his neighbor.
Speaker 2:See, this is why I would never follow this. I would be like give me all the details, all the information. Yeah, this is work. Yeah, exactly, precisely, exactly. I mean, I wouldn't believe it in the first place.
Speaker 1:But no, no, but Dyson was again. He's very charming and very compelling and he managed to convince people to invest in whatever technology he told them about. So Gurley, on her part, you know she's thinking she's living this fairy tale life. She has a very successful husband. Not only that, but she didn't just want to be a trophy wife, she also wanted to work. So she had gotten a job as a bank teller and by all reports, she was most beloved by her coworkers, customers. She's very punctual. She never missed work.
Speaker 1:But despite her happiness or at least the fairy tale happiness Dyson always seemed to be away. And he tells her that he's a very important doctor. That's why he's away. He has to go to conferences and all that stuff, but he does some odd things. So after four years of marriage, dyson comes home one night with a newborn baby that he had adopted. Oh gosh, he pretty much just that's shifty. Yeah, he pretty much just hands the baby to Gurley and says this is the child you're going to raise. I don't know how much Gurley questioned it, because she really wanted a child, so maybe she didn't question it as much as maybe she should have.
Speaker 2:She trusts me, she thinks that as a doctor and that she has no reason to disbelieve them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. And she had tried to conceive in numerous ways and was unable to, and by all accounts she really takes to being a mother, was very doting and was very caring. Yeah, now here's another shifty thing. I had a locked office in the house. Now for me that's a big red flag. I would automatically, if my husband came to me and was like, don't ever go in this office, I would immediately think serial killer, right.
Speaker 2:Right, this is like some blue beard shit.
Speaker 1:I have that written down. Yeah, I wouldn't have bothered to even try to see what was in the office. I would have just left and sent divorce papers, because I've read that blue beard story, right, nothing good is going to be behind that locked door. It's going to be blood and women on hooks or heads or whatever it is. So, anyway, gurley becomes suspicious when he starts spending even less time at home than he already had been, and one day he makes a mistake, leaves the office door open or unlocked or something like that, and she goes in and snoops around and of course, she finds that he's hiding stuff. One of the things she finds out is that his name is not actually Dyson Haas and Croft.
Speaker 1:It is Armando Chavez, and she also discovers that he's seeing other women. Of course, yes. So the relationship starts to go bad, obviously, it goes so bad that she even finds him trying to sabotage her car. She confronts him and he pushes her and begins to choke her. Oh, no girl. Yeah, she manages to get away from that, though. So she leaves him and moved into an apartment where she hoped he wouldn't find her, and she went so far as to take different routes home every day. Unfortunately, she had to leave her son behind, I should say her son's name is Demetri. I think I forgot to mention that. She told her coworkers about everything that happened and told them that she was afraid for her life. The coworkers apparently became very protective of her. They would walk her to a car at night, and all of that.
Speaker 1:Meanwhile, dyson continues to find women like Julie from Aztec, new Mexico. They chat online over the phone, and they become very close, close enough that they meet in person. In her interview in Charmed to Death, she said that he wasn't handsome and he's not if you ever see a picture of him but he was different than other men. For example, he listened to her about her wants and needs and likes he was very charming. He manages to woo her to the point where he's able to convince her to pay for a serum that he's created, which he says would make her look years younger. Is it poison? No, the first injection would cost $3,200.
Speaker 2:Is it an injection.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh God, it's a piece. And he takes a vial of her blood as part of the process. No, keep that in mind, stick a pin in. It is going to be important, okay. Now I don't know if it goes any further than that. I don't know if she actually got the injection or if he just took the blood, but he tells her that he's a lot older than he looks. She said like a hundred and he said many, many, many years older. Keep that in mind, it's going to come back.
Speaker 1:Julie becomes skeptical of him and asks a police friend of hers to run a background check on him. She found out that he was still married. He had told her that he was divorced. She becomes angry and confronts him. He tells her that he's only married. He didn't tell her that in part because he thought that she wouldn't go out with him. He also tells her it's Gurley's fault because she keeps asking for more and more money. Then he tells her that he has a friend who has some people who would quote take her away. Keep that in mind. Okay, we're going to take a break from Julie and go back to Gurley. She's living in fear for her life. She's also afraid for her son and wants to get him away from Dyson. Now Dyson, for his part, actually puts Demetri up for adoption.
Speaker 2:Now the so he puts the baby gun from suspicious circumstances up for adoption. Yeah, Okay.
Speaker 1:The adoption worker starts getting threatening phone calls from Dyson, so she calls the FBI and they promise to look into it.
Speaker 2:They didn't ask for his birth certificate or-.
Speaker 1:I'm sure they did, but he probably had it. Then on September 10th 1999, gurley is absent from work. Now, if you remember, she never misses work and she's never late, so it's very unlike her. Her boss tried calling her but didn't get an answer. So she called the police. Gurley had told her coworkers that if she didn't show up for work that something bad had happened to her. So she was that afraid. So her coworkers were afraid for her as well. They called the police. She should be.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the police do a welfare check and immediately feel like something is wrong. So they seal off the apartment and some detectives are dispatched to Dyson's house. Now they find the house is vacant. Now one show I think it was Trimped to Death said it was completely vacant. The other show didn't say that. They just said that he wasn't there and that they looked in the fridge and it was full of vials of blood. Now they're thinking that might be weird, but Dyson is known or was known that he was trying to find a cure for cancer. So there might be a good reason why there's blood in his fridge. Either way, they put out an APB, believing that he may be on the run. At least that's what one episode said. The other episode said that just that they felt he was missing along with Gurley.
Speaker 2:So I don't know. It's frustrating when sometimes there's inconsistencies like that. Very frustrating.
Speaker 1:Later that afternoon, that same day, a road worker had found some bloody clothing and a tarp, some duct tape with long strands of dark hair along a highway in Magdalena, New Mexico. The police send all of that out for testing. In the meantime, the police are processing Gurley's apartment and they find what appears to be a large amount of blood that had apparently been wiped up with bleach. They also find cat hair. Now, that's important because neither Gurley nor the people who lived in the apartment before her had cats. So anyway, with that blood and this Did the old boy have a cat.
Speaker 2:Did the guy have a cat? The scam guy? No, okay, doctor Hoff and stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so obviously with that and the animal hair that shouldn't be there, there's an indication that she probably had been murdered. This question the friends and neighbors of Gurley at her apartment, and then also Dyson, and they discover the story behind Dimitri's origins Again, dimitri's adopted son. So Dyson had had a girlfriend of Japanese descent in Canada I think the Japanese part is important because the son kind of looked like Gurley, even though Gurley's Malaysian. I mean similar features. So that girlfriend gave birth to Dimitri and Dyson had convinced her to relinquish the child.
Speaker 1:So it was his child it was his child, but he told her he'd adopted the baby, and this is obviously before she realizes he's cheating on her.
Speaker 2:Okay, so that's why he had the birth certificate and all that. Yes, so if you remember from a little bit, ago I was thinking you stole this baby from somewhere.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was the implication when it first happens. I built that for some suspense, I guess. So, if you remember from a little bit ago, dyson tried to give Dimitri up for adoption after Gurley left, and this is where the police find a promising lead. So in the paperwork Dyson put a woman named Linda Henning down as an emergency contact. Okay, now I don't know why he needs an emergency contact when he's putting a child up for adoption.
Speaker 2:For adoption yeah, that's a good question, but they did Well if it's an open adoption. But doesn't it sound like he would have wanted like an open adoption?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:He seems like he's like. I want to unload this baby on somebody, right, yeah, okay, anyway, I don't know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know much about adoption procedure no. Okay, so we're going to take a break here and we're going to talk about Albuquerque and a little bit of New Mexico in general, because it's going to be kind of important to the rest of the story, so I'm not going to talk about the history and stuff.
Speaker 1:You can Wikipedia that. Don't tell anybody. I said that as a history professor. Okay, so New Mexico right, including Albuquerque, obviously, as our largest city is a mix of a lot of different types of peoples and cultures. And since Openheimer at Los Alamos and Trinity and in case you didn't pay attention in history class and you missed the movie Openheimer is considered to be the father of the atomic bomb and Trinity was the name for the first atomic test which took place here in New Mexico. Anyway, since then, which is the 1940s, new Mexico has been attracting a lot of scientists and people who work in laboratories. A lot of those folks also work in the defense industry, particularly around Albuquerque.
Speaker 1:Now, on the other side of that, for whatever reason, new Mexico attracts a lot of, shall we say, alternative thinking people. Yeah, we do, yeah, yes, we do. We have a lot of cults here. We've got a lot of interesting belief systems, shall we say. So one example is that there are folks who think that Albuquerque is ground zero for clandestine government activities. Some of those activities include technology that controls the weather, time travel technology and youth extension technologies. There are also those who believe that aliens live among us. I guess that's not really just New Mexico, but there is a large concentration here, I would say. And of course, that last one might not be a surprise, because obviously Roswell is in New Mexico and again, if you don't know Roswell, it's home to the alleged 1947 UFO crash, right.
Speaker 2:Yes, sure is. So we got that going. There's like a little alien museum and all that stuff.
Speaker 1:There sure is.
Speaker 2:Okay, and not much else no.
Speaker 1:So Linda Henning was a we're going to go back to Linda Henning, remember she's the emergency contact on the adoption forms. So Linda Henning was a former Frederick's of Hollywood model turned lingerie designer. Now, this is also a difference in the sources. So Charmed to Death say that. Just say that she was a model and a fashion designer. Sins and Secrets, which is a little more sensational, shall we say, is the one that says she was a Frederick's of Hollywood model, which is kind of gaudy nighttime clothes Turn lingerie designer. She was also a successful businesswoman until she met Dyson at a UFO conference about six weeks before girly went missing. So that was said in Charmed to Death. Well, in case you were wondering, that loud barking was Lenny.
Speaker 2:My friend was here with some Christmas cookies. Is that the cute bark that you were?
Speaker 1:hoping for? No, I was hoping that she would make herself known with a cute little little yip, but she doesn't do that, she just barks at anybody that comes within any distance of her house.
Speaker 2:She goes from like zero to 60. She sure does.
Speaker 1:She sure does. Okay, she sounds mean, but she's actually sweet. She is sweet and shy and very shy, yeah, Okay. So they met at a conference UFO conference six weeks before girly went missing. Now one show made it seem like they had known each other longer than that. One show said specifically six weeks, so I don't know Specifically. At this conference they meet at a talk about extraterrestrial shape shifting lizard people.
Speaker 2:So if you no, I love me some X-Files, but it sounds like somebody watched a little bit too much X-Files.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that was kind of the fact. Do you remember that back then for like a long time people were talking about lizard people?
Speaker 2:I don't remember wizard people, but the X-Files had shape shifting aliens, yeah. And so that's when maybe think of it like, hmm, I wonder where you got the idea from.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay. What makes them wizards? No, not wizards. Lizard oh lizard.
Speaker 2:Yes, I do remember the lizard people. I'm sorry. I thought they were saying wizard that's what I was like. That would be fun. That's why I was like no, I don't remember wizard people but yes. I do remember people talking about lizard people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so either X-Files or I was thinking maybe they've seen DS9, that was out about that time with the Kardashians. What are they called? Do you remember the Kardashians? The Kardashians, yeah, who were Not Kardashians.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what.
Speaker 1:I said yeah, that's what I. Kardashians, who were lizardish reptilian.
Speaker 2:Yeah, reptilian humanoidians yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, okay. So I'm not actually sure that that's how they met, because again, again, again it's different. So that's how Charmed to Death reports their meeting. But Sins and Secrets reports, according to her friend, that she had been told about Dyson and that she should meet him. So she found his address, went to his house and knocked on the door and introduced herself and that's how they met.
Speaker 1:Either way, she becomes very quickly and deeply enamored of him, and again I'm confused about this. So she either begins to believe some of her more interesting things, like the lizard people stuff, or she already believed them. That's a question as well.
Speaker 2:Because, huh, I was just Sorry. I'm interrupting because I'm sorry. No, that's okay. I have thoughts and then the thoughts just come out of my head inward vomit.
Speaker 1:That's all right, so what?
Speaker 2:are your thoughts. But I was just thinking. I mean, she must have they met at the UFO convention, Maybe.
Speaker 1:We don't know that they did because it's different.
Speaker 2:They're different accounts of how they met. Okay, well, if Okay, so we have not converging, conflicting, yeah, conflicting Pass here. So this could be like a multiverse kind of thing yeah. In one universe. They met at the UFO convention and she pre-believed in these shifting lizard aliens and the other one they didn't, and he convinced her to believe in them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it's hard to tell because charm to death is a more serious one than since it's secrets. But the person who says that they met very close is a private investigator, whereas in since in secrets, the person who says that she found the address and just knocked on his door was her front. So I don't know Personally. I think she already believed this stuff, since in secrets says that she came to New Mexico, already kind of in the New Agey realm, and then found her way into the UFO community, right. So despite the fact that since in secrets is more sensational, at least on that score, I think I believe that yeah, and that detects.
Speaker 1:She had some kind of belief, yeah, and the private detective was different. Their names were the same, right, but they seemed to like two different people. I mean I know that they were made like a decade apart, yeah, but I mean the accent was different. I don't know how you can change an accent that quickly.
Speaker 2:That's interesting. Yeah, so I'm not really sure my uncle picked up like a southern accent pretty quickly. Yeah, he moved to Georgia. He moved there and I saw him like five years later.
Speaker 1:Yeah, maybe it is possible.
Speaker 2:He had a heavy southern accent by then. That he's maintained to this day.
Speaker 1:Yeah, their personalities also seem different. I mean, again, it's a decade and I mean even in my decades I am not the same person I was probably when you first met me. In terms of personally, I think I'm a little less snarky and hateful than I'm not. No Darn Okay.
Speaker 2:The snarkiness is part of why I love you, Katie, oh thanks.
Speaker 1:What was I saying? Oh, because in sins and secrets he seemed less judgy and a little kinder, and in charm to death he called her a loon and all kinds of stuff. So he seemed a little more judgy.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So what I'm saying is, one of them may have been an actor Right, but maybe that's my conspiracy theory.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, I believe it yeah.
Speaker 1:Either way, okay. So she's deeply enamored with him and she either already believed this stuff or she didn't. I think she already believed some of it. Anyway, according to her fellow UFO and conspiracy theory enthusiasts, she believed that there were reptilian aliens walking among us and, in fact, that high level government people are actually some of these reptilian shape shifting aliens and they are here to control the world. Nice, well, yeah. So, like before Obama was elected the first time, a lot of people said that he was a reptile.
Speaker 2:I mean I welcome it, I welcome our new reptile alien overlords. Because we're not doing it.
Speaker 1:They can't do any worse than we're doing. Okay, so not only that, but she apparently knew one personally. You want to take a guess? Who that might be Was it the dude Dyson yes, so he convinces Linda that he is a 10,000 year old alien 10,000 years old. Yeah, from the Giga planet.
Speaker 2:Nice Giga planet.
Speaker 1:He told her that he was a good alien who had been sent here to Earth to protect our planet and mankind by vanquishing an evil alien queen. Can you guess who that evil alien queen might be, is it? His ex Gurley. So again, I'm not sure about the last part, because in Charmed to Death they showed a woman on the stand at Linda's trial that said that Dyson had convinced Linda that she, Linda, was the chosen one who was supposed to save everybody from Gurley.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So I don't know, in the time that Linda knew Dyson, she well, according to Charmed to Death and this private investigator, she had become disheveled, erratic and really just completely opposite to the hardworking, successful woman she had been Right and they think it was just in a matter of a few weeks, because this is the episode where they think they only knew each other for about six weeks Now. I saw her part of her interview. They show part of it in both shows. She didn't seem that disheveled to me. Yeah, I mean, she didn't look like she belonged in Manhattan or anything Right, but she was no more disheveled than you and I are.
Speaker 1:Yeah, maybe we're more disheveled than what we think. I'm pretty disheveled. We definitely would not make it in Manhattan. No, oh, we have this concerned friend who hires a private investigator to dig into Dyson's past, and this private investigator checked out all the colleges and universities that Dyson said he had attended and graduated from. So one of those would be Stanford. Oh, okay, yeah, so he actually only attended one of those colleges and that was I think the University of Utah.
Speaker 1:Oh what?
Speaker 2:I was going to ask you if it was an Ivy League college, but you answered my question.
Speaker 1:But he was kicked out after six months for fraudulent transcripts and falsifying grades.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:So basically what this PI finds is that the majority of Dyson's history, education and his status essentially was made up. Yeah, he was a complete fraud. But Linda's not hearing any of this. She yells at her friend saying you know, you've led them to him, them being the government or whatever, and blah, blah, blah, all that kind of stuff, and she cuts ties with any friends who questioned his legitimacy.
Speaker 2:Well, she's so far in it like she can't see the truth.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so just a refresher. Gurley had disappeared on the 10th of September. On September 12th of 1999, linda gives an interview with police. In this interview she tells them that her relationship with Dyson was strictly professional and that she was his caretaker. I put a note here saying remember he had cancer. I don't think I mentioned that he had been telling people that he had cancer.
Speaker 2:Did he have cancer? Or was he just saying that? What do you think? I think he was just saying that, yep.
Speaker 1:So she said that the day she met him he was hooked up to an IV and was coughing up blood. She told them that after a few weeks he had told her he was leaving town for some experimental treatments and she said that he had told her he might have opportunities for that in Dallas or somewhere in Colorado. The police thank her for her information and they ask to take a sample of her DNA because they found all those bottles of blood. They first believe that Linda is a victim of Dyson's manipulation, but they soon change their minds when they find out that she lied in her interview about her relationship.
Speaker 2:Of course she did.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and also because her car looks like the one that witnesses reported seeing the night girly went missing. She starts to become uncooperative with police and she also doesn't go home but instead moves from hotel to hotel and also changes cars constantly. So while police continue to dig into Dyson, they realize just how big of a fraud he is. As I said before, they figure out he's not a doctor and that he enjoyed scamming women out of money by promising them that he can cure their terminal illnesses or that he had a serum to keep them from growing old, like he did with Julie. He had apparently taken $250,000 from one woman up in Santa Fe who had terminal cancer and he said he could cure her and he had given her no practical medicine. I think they said maybe he gave her some B12.
Speaker 2:That's so fucking awful.
Speaker 1:It is Obviously she didn't have cancer.
Speaker 2:I'm just thinking about these women possibly issuing real medical care, in the favor of this guy.
Speaker 1:Yep. So they also find out he doesn't have cancer. Now police also question his neighbors who tell them that on the night girly went missing Dyson was acting suspiciously. He had driven up in a car, he had black stuff on his face and he was very frantic and kind of sweaty. They said he ran inside and then quickly ran back out and they never saw him again.
Speaker 1:On September 22nd police catch up with Dyson. They have some assistance from the FBI and they execute an arrest warrant. So he was not in Dallas or in Colorado, he was in South Carolina with another terminally ill woman that he had conned. He had gotten this woman to fly into Albuquerque and then drive with him back to South Carolina. Now he's extradited back to New Mexico or just sent back and they convene a grand jury.
Speaker 1:So in case you don't know how grand juries work, basically there's no defense. The defense doesn't get to say anything. It's just witnesses and evidence that are put out in front of people who decide whether or not there's enough to press charges. So in the grand jury hearing Linda testified that she did actually have more than a caretaker relationship with Dyson and it spent the night with him when Girlie went missing. Police then execute a search warrant on Linda's home and her car. They find a tarp similar to the one they found on the highway. They also find what is described as a ninja sword in a crawl space area in her garage. They find a receipt that shows that Dyson had purchased that sword within a day of Girlie's disappearance. Again, one episode says the day of, the other one says within a day or days of that's how he killed her.
Speaker 2:He stabbed her with a katana. We're getting there.
Speaker 1:They also found that Linda was something of a cat lover. If you remember, there was cat hair found in.
Speaker 1:Girlie's apartment. After talking with Girlie's co-workers, they were able to prove that Linda had lied under oath to the grand jury, not just about the relationship. Well, I don't think she lied to the police about the relationship, but she didn't lie in the grand jury about that. What she lied about is that she had said that she did not know Girlie, but they found out that she had made some deposits at the bank Girlie worked at and that Girlie had actually been the one who waited on her. Now, in Linda's defense, I don't think that I would know the face of any teller at a bank that I went to. Even if I went multiple times Unless I went every week I'm not sure I would remember meeting the teller. Yeah, that's true, but I mean, obviously she went there because Girlie was there and that's the implication and they arrest her for lying to the grand jury.
Speaker 1:So in October the police had been searching for Girlie for weeks at that point yeah. And they used everything they had at their disposal. They used helicopters, cadaver dogs, all of that stuff Right. They followed every lead, including those given to them by psychics as well as the UFO community.
Speaker 2:Very reliable.
Speaker 1:Sure, but they got a check. They got a check, so they are unable to find her body. So this is going to be a no body trial.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Which are often very hard to prosecute. What they did have were the clothes and tarp found on the highway which had Girlie's blood on them. Yeah, they had Girlie's blouse I guess one of the items was her blouse Right which possibly had Dyson's saliva on it. The blood found on the sword at Linda's home is inconclusive. I don't know if I mentioned that, but there is a little tiny smatter of blood on the sword. Now, remember, this is 1999, so they didn't have very good DNA technology yet. But their big break is that when they test the blood in Girlie's apartment they find not only Girlie's blood but Linda Hennings as well. Not only does that put Linda at the apartment, but it shows that she had a struggle of some kind with Girlie.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we have another grand jury in November. This is for Linda. Prosecutors speculate that Linda was used to make Girlie feel comfortable enough to open the door right because she had kind of known her from the bank Right and she's not going to open the door for.
Speaker 2:Dyson yeah, she would recognize her and personally, like I, would probably open the door for a woman. Yeah, maybe not for a man.
Speaker 1:Definitely not for a man. So when she opened the door, as the theory goes, linda and Dyson entered the apartment and assaulted her. Then they wrapped Girlie in a tarp and transported her some distance from Albuquerque, where she was then tortured and killed. Okay, both Linda and Dyson were indicted for murder by the grand jury.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Did they knock her unconscious or they?
Speaker 1:Well, they don't know, but I'm sure that they knocked her unconscious if she was rolled up in a tarp. Yeah, in 2002, dyson takes a plea deal rather than face the death penalty. He is sentenced to life plus 61 years in prison. He also agreed to provide information as to how the crime occurred and where the body was. So, in case any of you are wondering about the death penalty, new Mexico abolished that what like? 15 years ago.
Speaker 1:Yeah, linda refuses a plea deal, stating that she is a victim, not a killer. So she goes to trial and this is a death penalty case which kind of made history, because if she had been, or she would be, convicted of the and given the death penalty, she would have been only the second woman in all of New Mexico history to be executed. Yeah, the first one took place in 1861 in Las Vegas, new Mexico. So that means she would then be the only woman To have been executed or to get the death penalty in since New Mexico became a state. Yeah, new Mexico became a state in what?
Speaker 1:1912? Yeah, yeah. So her trial begins in September of 2002, but Everybody knows it's gonna be an uphill battle for the prosecution. As I said before, it's pretty much completely Circumstantial, they still don't have a body. They argue that Dyson wanted Girlie dead because he didn't want a costly divorce, and he convinced Linda that Girlie was an alien queen that had to be vanquished by her. He told Linda she was queen of the world and then it was her Responsibility to save the world from other alien queens that were coming from other planets.
Speaker 2:So does that mean that she gets to be an alien queen too?
Speaker 1:by eliminating Girlie. I don't think she becomes an alien queen. Okay, I think she stays human. She's just an alien fanisher.
Speaker 2:I'm confused by all the coinage.
Speaker 1:I know they also say the sword, the, the katana sword they found is Significant because he told her that that is how this battle is going to end with a sword.
Speaker 2:Oh.
Speaker 1:So just to clear that up, she would have to fight the alien queen, or queens, with a sword. Gotcha, gotcha, got it yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay, what does the alien queen get to fight?
Speaker 1:with. I don't know. I guess she's supposed to be a superior being, so maybe she don't get nothing, or may she has a sword too.
Speaker 2:I don't know. Well, it seemed like I doubt they gave her a sword.
Speaker 1:So you know I doubt it. Part of her defense was to call Dyson to the stand. He was referred to in Charmed to Death by a police officer who worked on the case as being so evil and so monstrous that he didn't care about those around him and that he was able to get people to do things they would not normally do on his behalf. He was very manipulative. The PI in that show said that he actually scared the grand jury and they had a criminologist in that episode and they said that she had never met anyone like him and hoped she never did again. No, he clearly freaked a lot of people out. Now I can say from the clips that were shown that at that point he's dropped the charming manipulator gag and he becomes really chilling. You should look it up. It's Chilling okay, the way that he speaks about this. So, for example, he says she knew she was going to be hunted down like the dog she was and yes, she moved like a scared rabbit in an open field. She knew.
Speaker 1:He also said about Linda I don't care whether or not you kill this woman. You put the needle in her arm. You go ahead. The only thing that's going to happen here is you're going to kill my next victim, so get you kind of have to see it for yourself to really get the creepiness of it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, if you watch a lot of chew crime, you see a lot of people testifying on the shows. Right yeah, in court. And I can save all the hundreds, if not thousands, of crime shows I've seen. None of them were like right, not even serial killers were that creepy. What his testimony. And he said his motive was sorry.
Speaker 2:No, that's okay. He wanted to save money Undivorcing her.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't think that's really the reason. I think he just couldn't stand that she was defying him. Yeah, no doubt. I mean I think the money probably played a part in it. No but I think it's the defiance.
Speaker 2:Yeah, seems like he's a very callous individual who'd Say something like that just for the sake of callousness.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay. So the one thing that his testimony does do is that it calls into question the blood evidence found at the apartment, specifically Linda's blood, because during his testimony he claimed that he planted her blood at the seat. Yeah, he said he had had a vial of Linda's blood with him and he sprinkled it in Gurley's apartment. Again, he did have a fridge full of blood and he had taken Julie's blood before, as I'd mentioned. So it stands to reason that he would also have some of Linda's blood. The jury doesn't buy any of it and they find Linda guilty of all charges. Now she does not receive the death penalty, but was sentenced to 73 years, which is essentially a death sentence, and besides that the death penalty is abolished. Yeah, dyson Ultimately renegs on his plea deal and never reveals the location of her body. One show pointed out that that's a double ups upset for Gurley's Malaysian family, because in their culture you must have a body for a proper bear burial and if they don't have a proper burial, then their spirit waters the earth.
Speaker 1:There is also some speculation that Linda ate Gurley chew. Oh geez, for those of you that don't know, the person who is found guilty is not sentenced right away. There's time between being found guilty and the sentencing and during that time Both sides are able to put forward a sentencing memo saying why she should get something or why she should get something, depending on what side you're on. So the prosecutor has a sentencing memo and in it he says that she had quote made statements that she had actually consumed the flesh of Gurley chew and that, as a consequence, her remains and body would never be recovered by authorities. Linda and everybody else denies that, but that is Hmm in the sentencing memo.
Speaker 2:I could see that being possible. I could also see what's his name Dyson giving her something and being like oh yeah, this is.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, although I feel like they wouldn't have enough time to do that. That would be a lot of preparation.
Speaker 2:Yeah or not, preparation, but yeah. Person to consume yeah, to get rid of all of her body yeah, we can't consume bones and stuff. You still have to discard of something, right? Ii I'm sure that, though, if he yeah, she was completely under his thumb, if he had told her to eat yeah, eat her, then she would have. She would have done anything.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so that's the story of Gurley chew and, as of Charmed to death and the googling I did last night, her body still hasn't been found. That's awful, it is Well.
Speaker 2:I hope that they can find it one day and, yeah, her family can have some fucking closure.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but that's a whole lot of desert to search.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I am sure that he wouldn't say out of fucking spite.
Speaker 1:He may not even know. Maybe it was Linda that took her and, yeah, discarded her.
Speaker 2:It is a lot of desert, but when we were we're doing the West Mesa case. Yeah, things that they talked about is how they have a bunch of remains that haven't been identified, so maybe it's possible maybe when?
Speaker 1:when did the bodies go missing or when were the bodies found?
Speaker 2:in 2000. Hang on, let me check Okay.
Speaker 1:Oh, I'm sure they would have put it through their DNA program thingy. They would have her DNA. Yeah, that's true, but I mean they could totally find there, or found in 2009.
Speaker 2:No, she wasn't. She wouldn't have been in that that but that mass grave, no, but, but they have been looking for a potential second grave site. Yeah, so one of the things they talked about is how they have a bunch of Remains, but they haven't been able to. But you're right, they would have her DNA and more information on her. Then they had information on the, the West Mesa, potential West Mesa victims that Are remain unfound.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so that's our Lackadoodle state. I didn't really know that much about anything, like I lived up in that area. I didn't live in Albuquerque, I lived in Santa Fe for a while and I never heard anything about aliens, but there were several people who thought that they were the reincarnation of Richard the Lionheart and Eleanor of Aquitaine.
Speaker 2:I remember you telling me about that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they weren't the only ones. That particular story was Husband and wife, I think, written a book and they were doing some sort of presentation at borders back on. That was still a Thing. I'm dating I'm dating myself, but they had mentioned that. But there were other people in Santa Fe. I felt that they were that. They were that right.
Speaker 2:No, there's some interesting characters, but yeah, I haven't met down here, I haven't met too many UFO Alien fanatics. Yeah but then again, we're not super sociable people.
Speaker 1:No, that's true. That's true. I mean I, when the lizard people thing became big like more mainstream, I knew people who it. I don't know if they were Truly believers, but there were a few that mentioned that there might be I.
Speaker 2:Remember just jokes about the lizard people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I certainly made jokes about the lizard people. Oh, there's that case about the lady. Do you know what I'm talking about? The case about the lady like you know what the fuck I'm talking about. There was a murder of a man by his I don't know girlfriend or wife, but they were deep in the reptile alien World that was spearheaded, or this particular branch was spearheaded by a lady via Podcasting, and I don't know if it's actually podcasting, but something early 2000 versions of podcasting a Radio transmit, whatever it is. Do you remember that case?
Speaker 2:Yes, no, that sounds really interesting though. Yeah, we should look into that. We should not enough for us to do home. I'm sure that could be fun. Yeah, do you like to hear about?
Speaker 1:Yeah, conspiracy theories. Yeah, I didn't realize there was such a big group of conspiracy theorists either.
Speaker 2:No, they're definitely a lot of conspiracy theorists out here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, guess we really don't talk to people, or the people we talk to are not so inclined.
Speaker 2:I think that Conspiracy theories can be interesting when they're not. They used to be more Innocent, seeming like yeah, before they were associated with a certain political aspects.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, the ones that they talked about in the episodes. I was thinking, oh, that make like a good episode of like X files or maybe some new show like that Would be fun. Yeah, that would be fun, so yeah it must be a really scary place if you believe in that kind of conspiracy theories.
Speaker 2:The world I mean, the world is a pretty fucking scary place. I don't know if we need to invent More reasons to be scared, yeah, yeah, I think that there's some things that are within reason, I think. Then again, here I am. I enjoy reading horror and yeah, we're consuming true crime. So yeah, we're, we're looking at all of the dark, dirty things in the the dark corners of humanity.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, and it's just such a like they it's so self Mm-hmm, perpetuating. Is that what I mean? Like? They're they're all in these enclosed circles, right, right, and anybody who questions that they get rid of. You know it's kind of cultish really, I.
Speaker 2:Think. I think what interests me about is, I think, that we want to conceive of something that is truly, you know, heinous and reprehensible beyond comprehension. We imagine that to be something that is superhuman, like an alien, or a demon or Something of that nature, but the greatest evil comes from ourselves, from our own nature.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so yeah. That's why I hate it when everybody says Killer is evil, like they use those good and evil terms terms, because then it makes them seem supernatural when in fact they're human, and that's what makes them.
Speaker 2:Scary and it's. It's a form of, I think, denying that we sharing that human nature as well but we are capable of that also. Yeah, we all are.
Speaker 1:Yep, absolutely, we just have to have the right buttons pushed.
Speaker 2:Yep, and we can, all you know, try and make conscious decisions every day too, not?
Speaker 1:not Marfa.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, cause I mean you hear about crimes of passion and you know somebody comes along. That's really manipulative. Manipulative like this guy, yeah, who can twist your brain. People in cults who've you know they're brainwashed and isolated.
Speaker 2:And I think that there can be, you know, healthy expressions and unhealthy expressions. Like you know, there's things that manipulation can be used for, for the good, you know, to benefit positive change in the world, and you know power seeking again to. You know you can use these kinds of things to make positive change, but you can also really abuse them as well. Yeah, there's so much, so much potential for abuse. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, fogging it does boggle the mind. Join our new philosophy class. Yep, but yeah, that was a really interesting case.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was a little bit disjointed cause I kept going back and forth between. Cause it was it was hard to merge the two that were so different in some ways.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it seems difficult if you're getting differing accounts on the same case. Yeah, like, what do you believe Like? Or how do you find the middle ground? Yeah, so I thought you did good. Thank you, you know, I was very intrigued. I didn't zone out.
Speaker 1:No, you didn't, you were engaged. You asked me questions, I was engaged. Yeah, yeah, sins and Secrets is a fun show. Yeah, I mean it's again, it's sensational salacious. What's it on? I found it on Discovery Plus, but maybe you could find it on Hulu, okay, but yeah, they have a different city for every episode. But what I found amusing in this one was like the narrator oh, he was so disdainful of people who believe in these conspiracy theories and stuff. I hear that. Yeah, I don't think he thinks well of Albuquerqueans.
Speaker 2:Hey, now to that. I take offense, me too, me too. We are not all alien conspiracy theorists. No, some people are just trying to make money too.
Speaker 1:That's true, I mean.
Speaker 2:There's a lot of tourist dollars in alien conspiracy.
Speaker 1:I always thought I never would, because, one, I'm not a horrible person and, two, it seems like a lot of work, but I always thought that would be a good way to make money is to like invent your own religion or cult, or whatever. Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Absolutely Well, yeah, elrond Hubbard.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he, yeah. He turned it into a massive money making venture. That kind of reminds me not the Elrond Hubbard. But what I had just said is that I saw on Instagram a little clip from Seth Meyers. He had Amy Polaron and she was talking about starting a cult. She was joking, she was talking about watching that Mother God documentary.
Speaker 2:Yes, and she was talking about that. You watched that one also. Yeah, kiki was like texting me while she was watching. She was like I can't believe this. Yeah, oh God, I don't know why I didn't like him. I don't know why I didn't like him. I love it.
Speaker 1:I love it, I just know that I don't know what we're talking about. I highly recommend it. It was a fun documentary. Maybe we'll do that one. Yeah, I'm sure I will do a lot of cults. I love a good cult story, cults are interesting, they are. You gonna give us more. Yes.
Speaker 2:So I have to talk to you more about my missing person, a little boy Again. His name is Luis Antonio Alderte Martinez. He was a recap. He went missing on June 1st 2015. From El Paso, texas, at the age of three. He would be 11 years old today. So Luis loved ice cream and playing hide and seek. Of course, he was just three at the time, I'm sure. Yeah, he probably doesn't play hide and seek anymore. He probably does some 11-year-old stuff now.
Speaker 2:His father hasn't seen him in eight years. His father, also named Luis Luis Aragon Alderte, last saw his son when he dropped him off at preschool. His mother picked up Luis Jr for a small vacation. Luis Antonio's parents had divorced in 2015 and his father had primary custody of their son, luis. The father remembered quote. I had texted her to see how he was doing, but she never answered. I just assumed she didn't want to answer me. But he was fine, end quote.
Speaker 2:But unfortunately, regina Martinez never returned with little Luis. She is believed to have fled with a child to Mexico. His father said quote, I worry about his safety, mainly if he has food, a place to live and if he's getting an education. He also added I have a lot of paperwork, but I don't have my son, which was fucking heartbreaking. So if anybody has any tips or information about the whereabouts of Luis Antonio Duarte Martinez or his mother, regina Martinez, you can contact the El Paso Police Department at 1-915-832-4400 or the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. Their 24-hour call center is 1-800-843-5678. Give one or both of those numbers a call If you have any information. The senior Luis would love to see his son again. Yeah, that's so sad. It is sad. I mean I feel it's probable that this child is alive, so I feel glad about that, but I feel devastated by his father.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I'm not knowing. Yeah, it's gotta be hard that the family kidnappings.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what's going on? Yeah, they're not having contact with that other parent or any communication. That's so frustrating. Yeah, it must be. It must be so difficult for that parent to not know Know where they are. Yeah, yeah, hopefully little Luis can be reunited with big Luis. My sources were the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children and the Texas Center for the Missing, and I think that's it.
Speaker 1:And my sources were Sins and Secrets, season 1, episode 5, titled Albuquerque, and Charmed to Death. Season 1, episode 8, titled Alien Queen Killer.
Speaker 2:Okay, that name really draws you in. It sure does.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it sure does. Oh, I forgot to mention them. One of the episodes said that the trial of Linda Henning was the trial of the century. Yeah, and I was like I don't even remember that being a thing. Do you remember it at all? No, no, I mean, I guess maybe an Albuquerque it was. I'm sure it was a big deal up there. Yeah, we don't always get the news down here.
Speaker 2:No, I don't know why that's weird.
Speaker 1:But yeah, we don't. Do you want to start off? What did you read? Watch what did you? Oh no, we're talking about Fatal Attraction.
Speaker 2:We're going to talk about Fatal Attraction first, because that is our first movie in our 1887 movie series that we're doing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, how'd you like it?
Speaker 2:I thought it was interesting. I thought it was pretty good. I have mixed feelings about the stalker woman trope because I wonder how often that happens in real life.
Speaker 1:Female stalkers are not nearly as common as male stalkers.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what I figured. However, wonderful performance, of course, from Glenn Close.
Speaker 1:Michael Douglas.
Speaker 2:Michael Douglas.
Speaker 1:As always. Solid, Like we had talked about Well wait, Hold on, In case you haven't seen Fatal Attraction. It is about a married man who has an affair with a woman played by Glenn Close and he breaks up with her and she does not handle it well and stalks him, and there are some famous scenes in there. Maybe we'll talk about that in a minute.
Speaker 2:Listen, don't sleep around, okay, stick with your wife.
Speaker 1:Or if you do sleep around, if you're the other woman or the other man, I suppose just know that they are never going to leave their mouths for you. They're coming for you or you're going for them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Like we had talked about, I was kind of like all this for Michael Douglas.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, he's not exactly, by today's standards, a leading man type.
Speaker 2:But I mean he's all right, but like I was like. But I mean I mean in real life people chase all kinds of people that one would not expect or necessarily see inequalities in, and so, and given that context, I mean Michael Douglas's character is a fairly handsome, successful lawyer, I guess. Who treated her well. Yeah, he didn't. He didn't. You know, I don't know, whatever treat her like shit, and so I guess that's the standard, yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, he did treat her like shit, but not while they were actually together.
Speaker 2:Sex looked phenomenal, I mean when he treated her like shit. It was not entirely unwarranted, I mean he kind of graciously tried to let her know many times that it was over.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Until after he slept with her. I think that part was kind of shitty yeah.
Speaker 2:That's true. Yeah, I didn't like that part, how he came back and slept with her again and then he was like, well, it's done or no? No, he told her it's going to be over and then he slept with her again, Did he? The first time when they had the spaghetti and and she was at the Madame Butterfly, yeah, and they were like and and she was like, well, like I really like you. You know, is this heading anywhere? Where do I stand, or something?
Speaker 1:like that and he was like.
Speaker 2:he was like well, I'm a married man, it's not going anywhere. And then it showed them in bed together.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's right. And then is that the scene where she, like, kicks him really hard.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:I loved that. Oh yeah, he kind of deserved that. Yeah. The Madame Butterfly thing, though, was kind of on the nose a little too much. Yeah, although it is a beautiful opera.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Um, you know, Madame Butterfly, yes, what else? Oh, it has the famous scenes where she the end scenes.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Be careful of your animals. Yeah, if you have a stalker.
Speaker 2:I don't think I'm going to have a stalker. I don't think I have to worry about that. You never know, I never know. Maybe somebody is listening right now and they're like wow, they sound enchanting.
Speaker 1:I doubt it, well it doesn't have to be about that. It can just be friendship, or if they think they have a platonic stalker, a friendship, or you know, or they want to be you.
Speaker 2:Frogger Friend stalker.
Speaker 1:Oh, shame on you. So if you had to rate it on a scale of one to ten, what would you put? Fatal?
Speaker 2:attraction. A little bit of a seven.
Speaker 1:A seven Isn't that good, I don't know. It seems low to me, but Seven point five. Give me your standards for like a nine and ten.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, I don't know You're putting me on the spot now.
Speaker 1:Well, I just, I just want to know, because it's so subjective, right, Like what you think is nine and ten is different than what I think is a nine and ten. And you think a seven point five is solid, whereas I think that's like a. I mean it's solid, it's like a B. Right.
Speaker 2:Well, a, c if we're dividing correctly Alien.
Speaker 1:Well, I don't know what that means.
Speaker 2:No, I'm saying alien. The movie, yeah, I know.
Speaker 1:That's a 10. But I don't know why. Why yeah?
Speaker 2:Hmm, aliens Space. So it's content Competent, badass women, minimal drama. I guess it's something that is a whatever love type drama is probably not going to get a 10 for me.
Speaker 1:So part of it is genre.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, part of it is genre.
Speaker 1:I mean, yeah, it's good. So that's high for that type of genre for you.
Speaker 2:It is high for that genre, okay.
Speaker 1:I'm just asking, I'm not judging. I just wanted to know where, like you know your, how you're judging? Yeah, because I never. You know, people don't say that, like in the book community, they do five stars but they don't always say what the standard is. You know.
Speaker 2:I feel like five stars is so limiting, I want more stars, I want 10 stars or half stars, because they can round things out to half stars. And I'm like, why can't I select a half star, so that you know, because there's so much room between you know, a three and a four star and a four and a five star. And you know, I feel often like I'm like, no, this is better than a three, but it's, you know, there's so much range, like to me in a four. I read a lot of books as fours because to me a three is bad.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, no, I think a lot of people agree there should be more stars, but I just you know every their people's rating systems are very you don't always know how they're rating something, it's true, people rate things in a different, because to me, like I said, a three is a bad score, but to other people three might be a medium score. Yeah, and also like how, like what in their head is a five?
Speaker 2:star.
Speaker 1:Like how is their own personal rating system that translates into that rating system? Yeah, oh, so my rating, I think, would be a nine. The minus for me is that Glenn Close was, I'm pretty sure it was written by a man. Yeah, is what I'm trying to say. Yeah, it's obviously written by a man and it's very 1980s. Yeah, in 1980s. Yeah, she that her character would have had to been vastly different order for that to be made today. Yeah, and it wouldn't be that same movie. I don't think anybody would tolerate it. Well, I wouldn't say anybody, but I don't think most people would tolerate it. But I give it a nine One. I love that genre, so that those tend to get rated high.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Right, just like your, whatever. But also the acting Glenn Close was spectacular, yeah, in that movie, like the way she could turn it on and off, absolutely the way she did things which maybe they were in the script, maybe not, but the thing with water, like I don't know why they did the water.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the thing with the water.
Speaker 1:But that was, but it was also genius.
Speaker 2:Yeah, even though I'm like what the fuck? Yeah, that should make me laugh. I was like what the?
Speaker 1:fuck. Is she doing so for me? I think, if it hadn't been, that character hadn't been superbly acted. Yeah it would be a lower score, right, but that acting brought it up, yeah, higher, and. But I mean I also love that those types of movies. Right, you know it is a movie, I mean it. It clearly had its effect on our wider culture because there are at least two scenes that are Very famous and brought up in other things sometimes.
Speaker 2:Okay, well, I know the one scene that we discussed, okay, but what is the other scene? Is it the? Okay? I don't know. I don't know what is, because I said I thought it was the elevator scene, you said it wasn't, so what's the other scene?
Speaker 1:Well, I don't know, maybe the elevator seemed to, because that's in a lot of movies, yeah, and TV shows so maybe it came from that? Maybe it didn't, but the two scenes are towards the.
Speaker 2:I know the, the one we discussed with the I don't want to say because I was well.
Speaker 1:I think people probably know. If you don't, if you don't want to know, pause or skip ahead. But the bunny scene.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we talked about that one, yes and the shower scene.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, which she gets, yeah, yeah, I mean, in fact that scene is in Bridget Jones's diary when she's flipping through channels, yeah, but yeah, maybe the elevator say I don't know if that was the first one or not, but even just the the title, fatal attraction. I've heard that several times in dialogue and right shows and stuff like don't go all fatal Attraction on me right, yeah, I don't go Glenn. I've heard it like don't go Glenn, close on me, or some version of that as well, yeah otherwise I think I probably would have rated it for the genre.
Speaker 1:I probably would have rated it like a 7.58 Overall. Like you, like alien and that's your yeah, criteria.
Speaker 2:I mean, I like other movies besides alien.
Speaker 1:I know I mentioned alien more than one, so you ever know, I know, I know, I'm just, it's just the example you gave you right like a like yeah, yeah, that's all I could think of in the moment. You can like you.
Speaker 2:Like you don't have to apologize, I know but I like other okay shot the Shawshank Redemption. That's a. That's a movie that I would say, yeah, it's a 10.
Speaker 1:There's yeah, there's all kinds. It's just where your standards is and you explained your standards from that movie. So genre I would have put it at like a 7.58. Yeah but overall, because I like that type of movie more than anything, it's gonna be rated higher and, compared to other movies of Different genres, I would put it up at a 9, mainly because it glint close. Yeah and her. Superbness absolutely not that anybody cared. This is supposed to be true crime. It's. It's true crime adjacent. It's fictional crime.
Speaker 2:Well, another reason why I didn't rate it higher is because I've I've heard that that the, the actions of behavior, of going closest character, is kind of an Exaggerated a stereotype and poor representation of, like borderline personality, like a, you know, a bad representation, you know, to indicate that People with borderline personality are dangerous, which is inaccurate, right, and so that's why.
Speaker 1:Was she diagnosed with that in the movie?
Speaker 2:because they may not have been thinking, but we're giving her this.
Speaker 1:They may have Just been thinking women are crazy.
Speaker 2:No, but people, people have said that her actions, her pattern of behavior like fits that yeah, but in like an exaggerated manner.
Speaker 1:But is it fair to put that on the director or the or the writers or the actors, if they have that in their head, maybe not and I'm not sure when.
Speaker 2:The Diagnosis of borderline personality disorder. I'm not sure when that became a thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean they also things that we yeah, they do those things later. But also they had different criteria at different times.
Speaker 1:So, I mean, it is a very obviously male written Version of a crazy woman and no, absolutely. And that, coming from a 2024 perspective, is Ridiculous and frustrating, right, but I think, you know, even for the time I'm sure it would have been frustrating, but I don't know, I guess it doesn't bother me because I'm like it's a product of its time, right, you know, and I watch so many classic movies as, like, there are cringe-worthy things in all of those films.
Speaker 1:But I'm like, it's a product of its time and while I can criticize it, I also have to understand that as a product of its time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think it's interesting that when men are scared of women is because they think, oh my gosh, like they're gonna want me so bad, they're just gonna go crazy, like that's the only capacity that they can envision and very clearly she was not she wasn't going over him because?
Speaker 1:Because she thought he was just so spectacular, she was lonely and she was tired of being treated like shit by men. That, I think, was her, her driving force. No I just the like. Why do you assholes keep leaving me instead of looking at her own behavior? Yeah, maybe I shouldn't sleep with marriage man, right?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, she definitely. I mean, even when she, you know, First got with him, she was like, oh, we're adults, or whatever. And then later, when he said that back to her, she, she didn't take it too well.
Speaker 1:No she didn't yeah okay, so you gave it a seven.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:I gave it a nine. We explained why. Yes, what's our next one? We're doing planes, trains and automobiles.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:I'm doing planes, trains and automobiles, mr John Candy, and it's gonna be fun. Yes. I love Martin right, I Don't know. I only remember John Candy, it's. I saw it when I was young, it's. It's probably been about 30.
Speaker 2:Yeah, let me check. Okay, it's Steve Martin, but I could be wrong.
Speaker 1:Yes, we should fill up the dead space.
Speaker 2:It is Steve Martin, go me good, did you watch anything else?
Speaker 2:Yes, I did and I have little list, so I watched, like the first, like four or so episodes, maybe five, of this show what do we do in the shadows, which I know, I'm super late to the party and the listeners are probably like we already fucking know, but it is a hilarious show. It's kind of it's a documentary style show, it's the office style about like a group of vampires that live together in Staten Island and their familiar name, guillermo, and they're very ridiculous and it's, it's really hilarious. Yeah, it's very enjoyable and so I've been watching that and I also watched the first half of the movie the color out of space, starring Nicholas Cage and Laura Dern, and it's like a famous trippy sci-fi horror, cosmic horror Kind of film. That's that's all I watched. That's all you watched, yep.
Speaker 1:Let's see. Did I watch anything besides fatal attraction? Um, just again background. Oh, no, no, no, no, I actually like watched, watched, but not all of the episodes. A cult documentary called Daughters of the cult. Daughters of the cult, yes, that's why I was thinking about.
Speaker 2:But I said sisters, and so daughters.
Speaker 1:Yeah, daughters of the cult which is herbal Lebron's offshoot of Mormonism and he was referred to as the Mormon Manson or the Manson of Mormonism or something along those lines. But it's has some of his Daughters and at least one of his sons, I think, and they talk about how they grew up and all of the murders that happened, and it's actually really intriguing and was murder like encoded in their cult, like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, he kills his. I'm not giving anything away, it's like within 20 minutes of the first episode, but he kills his brother, just like in the Bible. Yeah, exactly, can enable um that was bad.
Speaker 1:Okay, I know, um, I I love cults, I love cults, stuff about cults. I can't believe that I never heard of of this dude like at all, or any of the the murders that happened, or I heard nothing. So it was really interesting, but I only watched up to halfway of episode four and then yesterday I watched well, so I watched fatal attraction yesterday and that was on Paramount Plus, and so when that ended, I think true FBI or something like that came up and I mean it's you know, big cases that we've heard of. Like Ruby Ridge was one of them. Yeah, but from the perspective of the FBI agents who were Involved. Okay, I won't talk about the Ruby Ridge one, that's a, that's a whole thing I don't want to get into.
Speaker 1:But the. There was one that I mean the. The story Could be a movie, but it was real life and that was, you know, like the mole in the FBI who was giving lots of secrets away to the Russians for decades and it was kind of their story and this young FBI agent was shit. I mean it was incredible, like it's stuff that you see in spy movies, but it was real, it was really interesting and it happened not too long ago, 20 years ago, 24 years ago in 2000 but that was interesting and that's what I watched.
Speaker 2:I Ran an article some years ago about this undercover UK policeman who had been sent to go undercover spying on these Poor hippies who were just like protesting for peace or some shit. And he went so far undercover. He Marry this woman, had kids with her and spent like 20 years of his life with her before she found out that he was an undercover cop on assignment to spy on her the whole fucking time.
Speaker 1:Oh god, that would be awful. Yeah, that's kind of despicable like a fucking nightmare.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it is. I think they ended up like the British government ended up paying her quite a hefty sum of money.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they should.
Speaker 2:What a fucking Mindfuck yeah yeah, for sure, that's crazy.
Speaker 1:Well, this wasn't that deep he was just working for the spy?
Speaker 2:No, I'm sure it wasn't it just made me think of that.
Speaker 1:So that's all I watched. Did you read anything?
Speaker 2:Yes, sorry, I'm eating one of your candies.
Speaker 1:This is Early January when we're partially recording this and I just got the candy hearts for Valentine's Day. Rachel is, do you?
Speaker 2:do. Did you ever see? That episode is like a Valentine's episode of the Simpsons. And Was it the Simpsons or was it future Alma? Damn it. I forget whether it's the slimy alien seed. This is where my memories failing. Simpsons, future Alma, mm-hmm, same thing. But the, the alien guy says these are chalky and unpleasant when he eats a candy heart.
Speaker 1:So whenever I eat, yeah, a lot of people don't like them, but I I like the chalkiness.
Speaker 2:I don't mind the chalkiness. I went. I was pregnant with my younger daughter, my younger child. You sometimes get cravings for things that are not strictly food. There's a name for it. Anyway, with her I had cravings for Tums. I mean, he eat like a lot of tums anyways when you're pregnant because it get a lot heartburn, mm-hmm, but like something about the tums, like eating the, like chalky nests, like I want to eat chalk.
Speaker 2:Oh, man, and, and so I, I, I really wanted to eat tums, and so I would be like, okay, I can eat like three or four Tums a day, but that's yeah and and so I would tell Jay to go like, bring me, like, like more tums. Oh man, I really like. Like the tropical flavors.
Speaker 1:I like the banana flavor of banana flavors of these hearts. Yeah, my absolute favorite, yeah, um do you know this?
Speaker 2:the artificial banana flavor is based on like a breed of Banana that's really rare now, but it has like a more potent flavor than the bananas that you find in the grocery store. Now they're still around but they're really uncommon.
Speaker 1:Interesting. Yeah, I, I never thought about the fact that some of the fruits we have now have Like are different from even like 30, 40 years ago. My colleagues and I have a reading group and we read a book about like fruits and recipes and spam and stuff like that, and One of them has a recipe for bananas wrapped in a slice of ham with like a hollandaise sauce on it or something like that. And you know I was thinking like the banana, like that. That would be disgusting.
Speaker 1:Yeah with the bananas today, but it turns out it's completely different. Bananas used to not be sweet.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I had no idea and that's crazy. I mean, that was only 70 years ago, right 80 years ago. Yeah, no, that's crazy. Yeah, I like to bring that banana back. You're right, that's exactly exactly.
Speaker 2:Well, I guess those bananas I think they were mostly wiped out in some kind of something I forget what it was but I guess then other bananas that we have mostly now are, I guess, a little bit Hardier or better to ship or some shit like that yeah, so that's why we have those bananas. You can still buy the other kind of bananas I looked it up but they're expensive.
Speaker 1:No doubt.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, but anyway, you had asked me what I had read. Yes, so I have finished my first book of the year. It was the only one left by Riley Sager Sager. Yes, and it's kind of a Thriller. It is about a woman who is Like a caregiver, like a CNA, like people who go into homes and, yeah, and take care of the elderly, or people who you know are disabled or have yeah, needs some kind of support.
Speaker 2:Yeah, basically, her license was suspended for the past six months, right, because one of her patients Passed away and and she was accused of negligence, right, basically in the case, and Although she was cleared, basically her reputation was wronged and she's still under suspicion.
Speaker 2:So now she's being sent to a woman who is difficult, so now she's also the reputation to a woman who has, yes, a bad reputation, who's basically a woman who is accused of killing her entire family as a teenager and now is a woman who is paralyzed and in her 70s. But once she gets there, weird things start happening. Yeah, and so that's all I'm gonna say about the book. I thought it was pretty good. I gave it four stars and, and, yeah, I would say four and a half stars. See, this is why we need a half half star rating, and I am Currently reading like three different books. I'm reading the creature feature collection, which is a Horror anthology, and then been listening to the kaiju preservation society by John Scalzi. I recommend that for one of our books with Kiki, but she doesn't like John Scalzi, so put that out into the universe.
Speaker 2:I just say it like that too. She doesn't like.
Speaker 1:John Scalzi. He seems like a very nice person. I had to. It's just not my kind of. Yeah, he doesn't tend to write things that interest me right.
Speaker 2:And that's fine. Yeah, that's fine. I find his writing to be humorous. Yeah, it's, it's sci-fi. It's not too too intense sci-fi, but it's it's fun, yeah he seems like a good guy.
Speaker 1:I remember back when there was that Comic-Con shit and there were a bunch of dudes. It was dudes. He were like basically Doing litmus tests on people who are coming in specifically women Because you know there's a stupid idea that, right, girls only like this stuff because of their boyfriends. Yeah, god giant, I roll. Maybe there are a few. You know People do that. You, you try to get into things that your person likes, right. Well, why should it?
Speaker 2:matter. Yeah, even if you are just whatever starting out in the fandom, or whether you've been in it for a long time in your so-called Expert, it shouldn't fucking matter.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, it shouldn't. I remember Scalzi came out, you know it's it Against that quite strongly which was very cool of him because there's a hot topic there for a while.
Speaker 2:Yeah, really hot like an okay guy. Yeah, and this book is gonna cross off my women in STEM category.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're doing the 50 book, chaiist Rachel to go to do it with me, because there is an inner tiny rebel gremlin inside of me and it likes to self-sabotage and so I want to do things like a reading challenge. I have been trying to finish a reading challenge for years now, but as soon as I say I'm gonna do that, that little rebel gremlin wakes up and Is like no, you're not. You can't even tell yourself what to do, let alone anybody else. So I'm hoping Rachel doing this with Rachel will appease the little rebel gremlin. She's very tiny. I didn't do any cool rebel stuff. It's should really just self-sabotaging rebel stuff, but yeah. So one of the categories for this 52 book challenge is women and STEM. I haven't crossed off a single one. Oh, that's not true. Well, yeah, no, I haven't crossed off because I haven't read them yet, but we have a couple of books planned that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, I started out 2024 coming in hot Nice. But with this gig that I'm doing coming up, it's going to slow down my reading a bit.
Speaker 1:But you can always pick it up later. Yeah, absolutely, it's a temporary thing.
Speaker 2:Darn those money-making endeavors getting in the way of my recreation.
Speaker 1:Right Stupid work.
Speaker 2:The last book that I've been reading is the Lost Village by Camillus, and it's a Swedish book that's been translated, and it's about a group of filmmakers going to make a documentary in a village that's been creepily abandoned and had possibly had a cult in it, until they mysteriously disappeared, leaving behind only one corpse and one abandoned baby Nice, and now they've come back and one of the film-making people is the granddaughter of that abandoned baby. And then weird shit starts happening.
Speaker 1:Nice. Is it horror? Is it like a thriller?
Speaker 2:Yes, it's horror.
Speaker 1:Yes, nice, let's see. I did a little reading. I completed a short story, which is exciting given that I have been on a massive book slump since last February.
Speaker 2:I wouldn't call it massive. You read like 30-something books.
Speaker 1:That's pretty good, but when you normally read well over 100, like my, good read is not an accurate accounting of what I normally read. I don't put all of the things I don't want certain people to know on good reads. I put that on a different one, and so if you put the good reads with the other one together, I read well over 200 books a year normally, and last year it was 34.
Speaker 2:And that's a busy workload.
Speaker 1:Yeah, over 200 was like a two-year, but I mean it's amazing that I read 34 because I really was good. I still consider it a book slump because, quite frankly, I only read them because I had accountability Right, you know. Yeah, it's been massive and so this is one that I'm doing on my own, without accountability. So I'm kind of proud that I read the short story, yeah. So one of my New Year's resolutions was to read a short story a week, because I tend to not like short stories. Yeah, there are a few that I really enjoy, but for the most part I'm like I want more of this, yeah, and I feel unsatisfied. But I picked up Never Whistle at Night, which is an indigenous dark fiction anthology, and I read my first one last night which was called Kush Tuka by Matilda Zeller, but it's Alaska indigenous short story that actually it kind of scared me a little bit. Nice, I don't get scared that easy, but that one was a little unsettling. But I finished one, so that's exciting, good job. Yay, me, go Kiki. And then I do the oh, this is embarrassing. So I got a book by Ryan Holiday.
Speaker 1:Normally I would not admit self improvement of any kind, but it's called the Daily Stoic, and every day there's a little bit of a piece of advice from a ancient stoic philosopher like Seneca, marcus Aurelius, epictetus. Okay, that sounds nice and well. Most of the time I think the stoics are full of shit, although you could say spot. If you don't know what a stoic is, you could think Spock from Star Trek. It's kind of. It's not that they're not emotional, but they tend to regulate emotions and kind of suppress them a little bit, I would, even if I don't always agree.
Speaker 2:I would probably rather read a little piece of advice from an ancient philosopher than from, like, a modern self-help guru. Yeah, although.
Speaker 1:I mean some of this stuff. It's said in a fancy way because it's from ancient groups or what we would consider a fancy way, but I mean a lot of that's.
Speaker 1:This is kind of. It's so much a part of us that it is kind of stated in other ways by everybody. Like if you are worried about things, people will say things like you can't control the future. Right, that's a big tenet of stoicism is that the only thing you can control is your reaction to things, and that's actually surprisingly helpful.
Speaker 1:It's annoying when, like when you're like your friend says it or something, but when Seneca says it or Marcus Aralea says it, it's kind of like oh, yeah, yeah, you're right, that really is the only thing I have control over. And when you acknowledge that you become a much happier person. It's not just about the anxiety, but like the little things you get pissed off about during the day, like somebody cutting you off at traffic or someone being rude to you in the grocery store or whatever. Just this idea like you, you can't control how people react, but you can control how you react, and so but also I one of the things that is in here, because I've done this like three years in a row now- I tell my son that a lot he's like all right mom.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the one of the things is that, like if, basically, if you wake up in the morning and you just acknowledge the fact that you are going to be disappointed by people, by circumstances, by events at some point today nobody ever has a perfect day but if you acknowledge that, then when it happens it kind of takes the sting out of it and it's a lot easier to react calmly or not react at all, and so it's things like that that are quite helpful, because I know that a lot of my anxiety stems from what other people do. It's not necessarily social anxiety. My main anxiety is more of a phobia, but I still get it, is it?
Speaker 1:like the unpredictability. It is partially unpredictability. It's not that I need people to like me, but it's upsetting when people are rude to me and it puts me in a funk. But understanding this has helped me to just be a happier person. I don't have full control over it and I probably never will, but it's helped quite a bit. I mean medication helps as well.
Speaker 2:Let's not underestimate that, no, let's not underestimate that.
Speaker 1:And therapy helps too. And therapy helps too if you utilize it, which I don't. I mean I go to therapy but I don't utilize it the way I should. But, yeah, it helps me a lot. I recommend it. That was a long thing. I didn't mean to go into lecture, but I like it Other than that. I mean this will come out mid-January, but when we're recording this, it's only the first week of January. So you talked a little bit about New Year's resolutions in the last episode, but did you have any more specific?
Speaker 2:ones. Yeah, I wrote down the list so I can say them here. One of my goals is to double my current average walking distance for the year, which I'm not going to say, but I'll say that last year I doubled my walking distance from the previous year and I doubled my walking distance from the year before that. Eat less red meat, hopefully not more than once a week. Eat more or less Mediterranean diet, as food budget allows. That's a big one. Read books that's easy.
Speaker 2:Spoil my wife, train at least five trick behaviors for nicks. Paint my nails when I like how I like, spend more quality time with my kids and earn more and spend less than I did last year. Those are my goals, nice.
Speaker 1:I've got some of the same. I won't go over all of mine because some of them are really private, but I have self-care things. I need some private ones too, yeah continue doing my nails because I'm really not much of a girly girl, but I still like to feel pretty in the nails, especially since I suck at makeup and I am getting older. It doesn't look as nice as it did when I was 16.
Speaker 2:No, I hear you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so self-care, things like that. Specifically, eat more veggies. In terms of the healthy thing, I avoid them like the plague. I am like a five-year-old Gris, I guess. Be more patient. I don't have a lot of patience and I need to learn to those are really good ones. Say yes to more things, although the last time I had that as a New Year's goal, I got married when I didn't necessarily should have been.
Speaker 2:I mean, say yes to healthy things, but don't be a pushover.
Speaker 1:Yeah, maybe not say yes to everything. Walk more. I used to walk all the time. I used to walk for at least an hour and a half a day.
Speaker 2:No, me too, I used to walk all over town.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm like oh it's too cold, oh it's too hot.
Speaker 2:Yep, yep.
Speaker 1:But I need to do that. I have moved forward. But basically what I mean is sometimes I get stuck in the past about the choices I've made which I can't undo.
Speaker 1:I can't undo the fact that it took me into my 30s to figure out Actually, I still don't even know what I want to do, I still haven't figured that out. But at least to finish, yeah, I mean my late 20s for my undergrad but my mid 30s for my masters. No, I hear you, you know, and I can't undo that and I can't undo. Well, I can't undo anything Absolutely.
Speaker 2:I can undo the bad choices, so there's no point in.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I am in nowhere near where I wanted to be or thought I would be, but I can't change the past. Some of my other ones well. A big one for me is, besides reading a book a week is to, I have a book buying problem. I buy a lot of books and clearly I don't read them. So my resolution is for every book I buy I have to save that same amount of money. So hopefully that will cut my book buying in half. So I guess that's it. If you've gotten this far. Thank you for listening and remember to Check out our socials.
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