Details Are Sketchy
A bimonthly true crime podcast, in which two friends share an unsolved disappearance or unsolved case, a crime they're most intrigued by, and talk all things true crime.
Details Are Sketchy
The White Widow: Spinning a Venomous Web of Deception and Death
In this week's episode, Kiki gives us the story of the White Widow and Rachel brings us the disappearance of Gyselle Lujan. And we talk about what we've been reading and watching, including that Bridgerton carriage scene.
Our next book is "The Witch of New York: The Trials of Polly Bodine and the Cursed Birth of Tabloid Justice" by Alex Hortis, which we will discuss in episode 20.
Sources:
Samantha Lewthwaite (White Widow)
World's Most Wanted - Samantha Lewthwaite: The White Widow (episode 3)
Wikipedia - Samantha Lewthwaite
Gyselle Lujan
Facebook - Missing Girls and Young Women from New Mexico
Vail Daily - "Investigation Underway for Missing Gypsum Teen by Nate Peterson
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So I'm Kiki and I'm Rachel, and this is. Details Are Sketchy A true crime podcast, and we're on episode 17.
Speaker 2:I can talk again.
Speaker 1:Rachel can talk again. She's not all stuffy.
Speaker 2:Of course, now it's your episode, that's all right. When it's my episode again, I'll probably sound like shit.
Speaker 1:So Rachel's going to give us the missing person, then I'm going to do the case and then we'll chat a little bit. I'll remind you what our new book is for episode 20, and then we'll be done.
Speaker 2:You need to remind me what our new book is for episode 22.
Speaker 1:Okay, I'll remind you too.
Speaker 2:Rachel. So, yes, is it missing person time? It is missing person time, which I totally have. I just acquired I know I was watching you A missing person. I mean, acquire a missing person? Okay, don't get too hasty. All right, I found somebody.
Speaker 2:Sometimes, you know, like, I'm looking on the missing persons list and there's lots of missing persons that I would like to talk about, but there's not very much information. Yeah, to go on. Unfortunately, sometimes there's not even a photo, so it's difficult to you know. Yeah, so here we go. The missing person I selected uh, her name is Giselle Lujan and, uh, she is a 15 year old. She was last seen the evening of Saturday, may 18th. Uh, she was seen leaving a friend's house on Riverview road, gypsum, who claims she left walking and never, she was never heard from again. This is weirdly written. They claimed that she left walking and was never heard from again. Also, it doesn't say Gypsum, riverview Road, where, oh, I guess Gypsum, gypsum, where Is that? In Colorado, I don't know. Oh, I think it is. Yes, yes, Okay, all right, I found this information here. Now it says Gypsum, eagle County, colorado.
Speaker 1:There you go.
Speaker 2:Now we know she went missing from Gypsum, eagle County, colorado, but she is believed to possibly be in Artesia or Las Cruces, new Mexico. So I think there's more later about why they believe she could be there, so I guess we'll go into that. They don't give a physical description of her, but here is a picture. It looks like she is fairly pale-skinned, she's got brown eyes, dark brown hair, it looks long and straight and she's just got a happy-looking face. She looks like a happy kid.
Speaker 1:Did you say what year she went missing? This year, this year, so she's still probably 15 or 16.
Speaker 2:Okay, just a kiddo yeah, she's just a kiddo, so all right, so more later than yes, yes, there's like an article I found about her, so okay, we'll go into that okay, sounds good.
Speaker 1:All right, so my case is on samantha luthwaite, aka the white widow. I actually don't know how to pronounce her last name, so I just call her samantha throughout the thing. Just a warning in case anybody needs it. This is a lot of bombing and, uh, terrorist I should have have done warnings on mine.
Speaker 2:I always think about that after I'm like I should have done some trigger warnings.
Speaker 1:I don't know if warnings are really all that necessary. I have to do it for classes, yeah.
Speaker 2:It's probably a good idea. I mean, people know it's true crime, but some people don't want to listen to certain kinds of content, yeah, and so I will try and be better about that, okay in the future.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I should be better. I didn't really write anything down. I'm sure there are other uh warnings I should be giving, but it was late at night and I didn't do it, because I'm a procrastinator and do my homework last minute.
Speaker 2:Rubbing off on you.
Speaker 1:I've always been that way. If I start something early, it's always the worst thing. I always get in school on a paper or something. If I start the paper early, I'd get a worse grade than if I did it closer to the time.
Speaker 2:You work better under that pressure than mine. Yeah Me too. Maybe Katie has ADHD too. I don't know of the time. You work better, like under like that pressure. Yeah mine, yeah me too. Maybe katie has adhd too I don't know, I don't think so yeah, I don't think so either, but I mean, there's more to it than that.
Speaker 1:But right, that's one of the things, yeah okay, so we're talking about the White Widow.
Speaker 1:So before we get to her, though, we're going to start with the 7-7 bombings in London. So on Thursday, july 7th 2005, in London, england, right during morning rush hour, three bombs were detonated on the London Underground trains within 50 seconds of each other. The first bomb exploded on the Circle Line train number 204, which was traveling eastbound. The second on the Circle Line train number 216, traveling westbound, and then the third, which will have the highest body count, was on the Piccadilly line, number 311, traveling southbound from King's Cross. An hour later there was a fourth bomb that exploded on the top of a double-decker bus at Tavistock Square. Thankfully, it happened near the headquarters of the British Medical Association, so there were a number of medical staff who were able to render immediate emergency assistance. It should be noted that the buses were being used as alternative transport due to the train bombings, so I guess we could assume that the buses were probably more crowded than usual and they don't say it, but since it was an hour later, I would say that whoever planted it probably would have guessed that. So, in all, 52 people were killed Seven on the eastbound, six on the westbound, 26 at King's Cross and 13 at Tavistock Square, while one each was from Afghanistan, france, ghana, grenada, india, iran, israel, italy, kenya, mauritius I can never pronounce that one M-A-U-R-I-T-I-U-S. New Zealand, nigeria, romania, sri Lanka and Turkey. Three were Polish, one was a Vietnamese-born Australian and one held dual American-Vietnamese citizenship. And I didn't mention. I just say the bombs exploded, but they were suicide bombers. So Jermaine Maurice Lindsay, also known as Abdullah Shahid Jamal, was the suicide bomber of the Piccadilly Line. That was the King's Cross one.
Speaker 1:He converted to Islam around 2001 after his mother had encouraged him to do so. He would have been like 16 or 17 at the time. He married his first wife in a traditional Islamic religious ceremony, which is not legally binding in the UK, in October of 2002. Which is not legally binding in the UK in October of 2002. He divorced her eight days later because she objected to his taking a second wife. He then married Samantha Lithwaite that same month. They had two children together, one born just a few months after the bombing. Okay, so in case I need to make connections, saman I'm talking about samantha mainly she's married to one of the suicide bombers that will become important if I convert to islam, how many wives can I have?
Speaker 2:none you can have one husband, boo no, I don't think that I can manage a second one, but I I was just that thought just occurred to me. I'm like hmm, how many wives can I have? Or how many wives could a woman?
Speaker 1:have right. None objection, I know. Okay. So some background on samantha.
Speaker 1:So she was born in northern ireland in 1983. Was it 83 or 80? It was either 83 or 85. She's either a year younger than me or a year, uh, older, I can't remember, but I typed 1983, so that's the one we'll go with. Her father was a british army soldier and met her mother while stationed in northern ireland. Now that bit is possibly a bit important. Um, okay, because at that time northern ireland was still in the midst of what is known as the troubles, uh, which is to say she was born into a place that was experiencing political, nationalistic, religious terrorism. So you know, we'll make that connection. Later they moved to Alsbury, england, when she was 11.
Speaker 1:Her parents divorced in 1994, and she was apparently pretty devastated by the breakup and sought comfort from her muslim neighbors who she believed had a stronger family network, and she then converted to islam at age 17. So, um, I should say two different sources. One says she wasn't that broken up about it, she just hung out with her muslim best friend a lot, and then the other one said she was devastated. Yeah, so I don't know. They seem to put stock in that as far as, like her, converting to islam or whatever. Jermaine and samantha met at a stop the war march, which is also significant because the resentment of the british and american invasion of iraq was one of the British and American invasion of Iraq was one of the defining factors for the group to conduct the 7-7 bombings. So she obviously had some connection with the sentiment of why her husband and his group members would carry out those attacks.
Speaker 2:I mean I fully agree about the war in Iraq, but I just don't, I really. I mean I fully agree about the war in Iraq, but I just don't, I really I don't understand how that's the place that you go like this is going to do it.
Speaker 1:I know. That's why you're not a terrorist. Okay, so Samantha denied his involvement until authorities produced forensic evidence to confirm his identity. She later said that she was just a wife and she had no idea, etc. Etc. Right, the detective gives the example of how other family members of other bombers acted versus her. So one of the examples they gave is that the family of the bomber, hasib Hussein, were on the phone with police like right away, saying that he had gone down to London on a day trip. They hadn't heard from him and they were worried about him, right, right, whereas Samantha, who was seven months pregnant at the time, apparently couldn't give a fuck and waited days to contact anyone about her missing husband, right, wow, so that's a bit suspect you gotta fake it a little bit better, yep I mean obviously she did do a pretty good job, because she's still out there, so but I guess, yeah, all right, I'm not gonna, that's okay, that's your stuff.
Speaker 1:That's all right. She is suspected in having something to do with the bombings. However, there's not enough evidence to have arrested her then or even now. There's a lot of like gut certainty among people, among the individuals involved in investigating the case and investigating her, but, you know, as far as actual evidence goes, there's not any. So in the days after that, she did an exclusive interview with a British paper which she had been paid for. I think it's more of a tabloid, I think it was like the Sun or something like that, but she was paid something like £,000 pounds for this interview. Oh wow. And the fact that she did that interview rightly disgusted a lot of people, since she made money off the deaths of 52 people. Right after that interview. She seems to drop off the radar until 2011. During that time, she gave birth to a third child in 2009. So in the time she was missing, she had another baby.
Speaker 1:No father is listed, but some reports say Habib Salih Ghan, aka Abu Usama al-Pakistani, a Pakistani member of the Somali militant paramilitary group al-Shabab. Militant paramilitary is kind of redundant, but y'all know what I mean. Anyway, he serves as the group's chief of security and training operations. That will become important later. So she resurfaces in mumbasa, kenya, in december of 2011. Possibly uh, they think she went there instead of other jihadist states like syria or um iraq at the time because english is spoken in kenya and also because there's no visa to enter, at least for British citizens. Also, while Kenya has a huge tourist-based economy that coexists within a large Muslim population, within that population are pockets of Islamic militancy that dates back all the way to the 1990s, so there have been several relatively big terrorist attacks. One was US Embassy in the 90s, I think. There was a hotel early to mid-2000s, okay, so anyway, there were reports that a group was planning an attack or attacks on tourists and hotels during the high season of Christmas that's apparently their high tourist time.
Speaker 1:The police knew where this group was staying, so they went to the residence. The house was described as being sparse, but they did find materials used to make explosives. Described as being sparse, but they did find materials used to make explosives. So the papers found in the house indicated that it belonged to Jermaine Grant, also known as Ali Mohamed Ibrahim. They charged him with possession of bomb-making materials and preparing to commit a felony. In his confession, he identified Samantha as being the leader of the cell, and he also said she was the one financing the group or was somehow managing to get financing Interesting. Yeah, so it's reported that just before Grant was arrested he had texted a phone registered to Samantha that said something along the lines of quote the lions are coming, which I mean. Obviously that's a warning.
Speaker 1:The kenyan police find other places associated with the terrorist cell, including a house where samantha was reported to be staying. The police knocked on the door and a woman wearing a veil answered. They asked for her id, which she readily gave them, and the id, which I think was a passport, said that the woman who answered the door was natalie webb from south africa, and the id was so well done that it seemed very legitimate, right, and so the police didn't have any reason to suspect her as being Samantha. Yeah, so they left. However, I don't know if it was like same day or days later, but at some point the police received word that Natalie Webb was a fake name, right, and so they sent another team back to the house, but by that point she was gone. And so they sent another team back to the house, but by that point she was gone.
Speaker 1:When they searched the house they found a UK birth certificate with the name Samantha Luthwaite.
Speaker 1:They also found documents that gave a location of another house in I'm going to mispronounce this, but Sanzu, which is north of Mombasa, and from the description I get the idea that it's a pretty upscale touristy place that's located by the beach, and in that house they found stacks of cash, ammunition, rifles and fake passports.
Speaker 1:So they were pretty much at that point figured that they were going to attack hotels, probably right in that area, because that's where most of the tourists were staying. So nobody knows where she went in that time, but she is back in Mombasa in June of 2012. So about six months later there was a Euro 2012 football match between England and Italy happening, so the bars and places like that were full of fans who were drinking and watching the game. That includes the Jericho Bar, which also catered to civil servants, police and people who worked in the government. At some point in the evening, a white woman in a hijab walked in, which was odd because Jericho Bar was in what was described as a local area, so not some place where white people tend to go. So she stuck out.
Speaker 2:It's a bar right and Muslims don't usually drink, so that would stand out to me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, although they may not have been thinking that, and while they don't, I've discovered that, depending on what country you're in, it can be pretty loosey-goosey.
Speaker 2:That's true. There's definitely different people interpreting stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 1:So, soon after she entered, there was an explosion. Three people were killed and 25 injured. Samantha was named as a suspect in that attack the following month, and that is the last concrete identification of her anywhere yeah, of her anywhere yeah, the kenyan police, in their search to figure out who did this bombing, found a laptop that belonged to samantha, on which they found some things that show kind of what a contradiction she is, which I think anytime anybody ever hears about an islamist terrorist well any kind of religious extremists well, yeah, but I mean specifically in this case, islamist terrorists.
Speaker 1:You, they tend to report that. You know, while they're purport to be incredibly religious, they have like porn and anti-western and they have a bunch of western stuff, you know. So, anyway, I mean people are contradiction, I guess it doesn't really matter. Anti-western and they have a bunch of Western stuff, you know. So, anyway, I mean people are a contradiction, I guess it doesn't really matter.
Speaker 2:So anyway, it's interesting to note how people like religious extremists kind of justify things. I guess any kind of extremism yeah.
Speaker 1:So I guess any kind of extremism, yeah. But so on the one hand, you have this young mother who listens to Beyonce and on the other hand, you have a jihadist, which I think is what makes people so interested in her Right, besides the fact that she is a woman who has killed hundreds of people or has in some way been attached to killing hundreds of people. They also found a journal with a poem extolling the virtues of osama bin laden and also importantly, they found photos with her and abdul wahid, her new husband, who was was at first a Kenyan police officer, but then he defected to join al-Shabaab. I mentioned al-Shabaab before, in case you don't know. It's a Sunni Islamic terrorist group that pledged allegiance to al-Qaeda in 2012. The group specifically works to overthrow the Somali federal government, expel foreign forces from Somalia and establish a fundamentalist Islamic state. They've attacked a handful of times in Kenya, probably because Kenya's military has been deployed in Somalia on various occasions.
Speaker 2:You know, what strikes me as as quite interesting which I'm sure other people is that Islamic extremism, and any type of religious extremism really that I can think of, is marked by quite heavy misogyny, and it's interesting that a woman could be, you know, like, named as a leader and be so central, yeah, in all of that yeah, although they don't admit to it right at all.
Speaker 2:Also, in that computer I didn't write it down, but you have to have you all of these men who believe these things like taking her orders and stuff like that.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, Although it probably comes from higher ups to say you know, follow her.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And they also seem to be the ones that are in herself, seem to be people who are used to women being, if not equal then closer to it. Like these are people who are not specifically from this group.
Speaker 1:Necessarily they defected into that group, okay, yeah, that makes sense but also in her journal and on the computer that they found there was a lot of mention from her in her own hand about how her children want to grow up to be fighters for these kind of groups, and that sort of thing, which is exactly the role that a woman is supposed to play in these groups, is supposed to get her children to grow up and, you know, kill themselves for the cause.
Speaker 2:She must be so proud.
Speaker 1:She certainly sounded that way. Samantha is a key for an operative for the Al-Shabaab group, even though they don't tend to advertise that. I'll mention more of that later. That, um, I'll mention more of that later. So in september 2013, we have, or at the west gate shopping mall in nairobi, kenya, you have four I'm gonna mess this up uh ingamasi, uh or suicide gunman, who approached the mall and entered from two directions. Apparently, this is a typical al-Shabaab attack, so one group or team came in through the upper floor and then the other came in the main entrance. One team threw grenades and then both opened fire, working their way through the mall, killing people they found along the way.
Speaker 1:Some reports said that they only killed people who were not Muslim and they would ask the people certain questions that they believed only Muslims would know, Like to recite a certain prayer or, I think, the name of the mother of Muhammad I think was one of the questions or something like that, but that wasn't reported in the main source of information I got, but it was reported in other sources.
Speaker 1:Anyway, in the end, 71 people died and about another 200 were injured. Al-shabaab claimed the attack as one of theirs, and intelligence reports claim that a british woman and two or three american citizens may have been involved in the attack. There's also question about if was there four or six men. Um like, there's still a lot of mystery surrounding the attack. So some think that that British woman would be Samantha and others don't think so. Al-shabaab has denied her involvement, claiming that they don't send women out to do such things, as they have plenty of willing young men to die for the cause, men to die for the cause. So in other words, they don't want to admit that a woman would be in any way involved in something that's supposed to be manly right.
Speaker 2:Are there other, like british defectors, women involved in that group that are known, or just her.
Speaker 1:I don't know about that group, but I mean there there have certainly over time been white women when I was american, I can't remember her name, but yeah, but no, I don't think that high up and I don't think that involved.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So regardless of the prestige of the quote white widow, which significantly increased after the mall attack, so clearly the people who are invested in her being a jihadist certainly think she was involved. Anyway, it significantly increased after the mall attack and to add to that, she's still at large, she still hasn't been caught and everyone in the world pretty much is looking for her Interpol, cia, mi5, mi6, etc. There's lots of warrants for her arrest. I think Interpol issued was it Interpol? I think it was Interpol issued a red notice warrant. So it's a big deal. People are really really want her bad and she is clearly in hiding and clearly has help because otherwise she wouldn't have been able to let. What am I trying to say? She wouldn't have been able to hide as well as she has for as long as she has.
Speaker 1:I mean, it's been over 12. It's been 12 years since that attack, almost, yeah, okay, so kenya and somali the somali somalia share a very long border and as soon as you cross the border, at least in some areas, you're going to be in al-Shabaab territory. So al-Shabaab has managed to take over certain parts of Somalia and govern them, in which the federal government can't get into without heavy casualties. So if she had help, she would have been picked up in one of those areas, taken to a safe area and then a safe house within that area, and she has likely been moved around constantly since then.
Speaker 1:So I got most of this from a show called the World's Most Wanted, and in the episode towards the end they introduced one of my new favorite women of all time, zakiya Hussain. So she's from the UK but is now deputy chief of Somali police, which is awesome. She survived two assassination attempts and there remains a high price on her head. This was done like probably five, six years ago, so I don't know if she's still alive. I didn't look her up, but I hope so. Anyway, among other things like combating Al Shabab, she's also looking for Samantha, or at least that's what I got from the show.
Speaker 1:But I just think she's such a badass.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she sounds like an absolute badass.
Speaker 1:I can't really describe it on the podcast, but you should watch the episode. I'll put what episode it is in the show notes. But I mean, she's just she like doesn't take any shit, and I love women like that. Okay, apparently the somali police or intelligence folks, or both, uh, do know where she is in somalia. Like they've had eyes on her, they keep tabs on her movements but they can't really arrest her because she is always in al-Shabaab territory. So she's basically out of reach for everybody. And there's another reason they might find it difficult to get her, at least according to a former UN investigator named Matthew Bryden. Reason is that people in al-shabaab controlled areas won't likely denounce samantha or give information on her whereabouts, even if they disagree with al-shabaab. They're not a part of it. They don't want any part of it because it's very risky, because that group routinely executes people for spying even if they aren't actually spying just to keep the fear.
Speaker 1:They're a really brutal, brutal group. Um, also, apparently there's been questions about why not using drone attacks, like the united states has done to several militants, to assassinate her. And that is because she is a british citizen and it's against uk law to do that kind of assassination. British law focuses on getting the person, not killing the person, whereas the us kind of doesn't seem to give a shit I mean, in general, I would agree with that, but I it just.
Speaker 2:it seems like I don't know, with all this shit, shit going on in palestine and stuff, it seems like I don't know, with all this shit going on in Palestine and stuff, it's like let's not kill this woman because she's British and white, but you know, like all of these, like brown kids, like you know, fuck their lives yeah.
Speaker 1:But I think that's a blanket International law, but I think that's a blanket International law. But I think that's just blanket for British. They won't go after any. Anyone with drones, yeah, regardless of whether or not they're a British citizen. It just helps that she's a British citizen.
Speaker 2:And I'm sure it helps that she's white. No, I'm just saying about just just how we have these, like you know, international double standards, Of course.
Speaker 1:Thank you. Capitalism yeah Well, it's true. I mean racism really didn't start popping up until the start of capitalism.
Speaker 2:White supremacy is a mechanism of capitalism or so vice versa. But there's a. I've read some papers I don't know if I still have access to them, I'll have to look it up about how white supremacy is like an intrinsic feature of capitalism yeah, it is.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I would agree with that assessment. Basically, what all this comes down to is that they know where she is, more or less, but they can't get to her without causing a lot of civilian casualties yeah so basically monitoring her is about the best that these intelligence and justice communities can do.
Speaker 1:She may be free, as they said on the show, but she also isn't really free, so she can't move freely. She can't leave any al-shabaab territory. Yeah, um, so she's basically been stuck in somalia in al-shabaab territory for over a decade and pretty much everyone in the episode agreed that she isn't going to survive in Somalia. They didn't expand on that. One person said these groups have expiration dates, and I think that person meant that it doesn't matter how high up you are, if they get tired of you, then they'll get rid of you, and so she seems to have. Like there isn't any information that she's done anything of any significance since then, lately, and she's she's not in the news anymore, right, really, you know. And she's not in the news anymore, right, really, you know. So they might get tired of protecting her yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, might be more trouble than it's worth. On the Wikipedia page it said that her uncle thinks that she's been killed, but nobody else seems to think so. Yeah, at least in the intelligence communities. So I looked it up, even though that episode was from years ago. She's, yeah, she still hasn't been caught yeah so should have done this last week along with the kate benders yeah, the kate benders, kate bender and her family, I should say. So that was a super short one.
Speaker 2:I thought it was going to be longer yeah but it wasn't it's really interesting though yeah, it is although it just occurred to me that like, maybe, like she has been involved with stuff like behind the scenes you know that she won't necessarily be credited with, true, but I mean because there's got to be some kind of like. If she is still alive there, she's got to be of some kind of use, you would think yeah, well, I mean.
Speaker 1:so the foreign jihadists. Their big use is because they can get more foreign jihadists on board, so she may be useful still in that way. Right, but when was the last al-Shabaab attack? I don't even hear about them anymore.
Speaker 2:We don't even hear about al-Qaeda.
Speaker 1:No Hell, we haven't even heard about ISIS in a couple of years. Yeah, there's got to be something, or maybe she is dead, who knows? I mean Impossible, impossible. Yeah, you got your missing person stuff. Oh yeah, or do you want to talk more about it? I don't think there's really more to talk about.
Speaker 2:No, I forgot, though, that I was doing more stuff on my missing person. Okay, so this is from an article. Yes, it is is from an article. Yes, it is indeed from this year, may 21st, 2024. And it says the Eagle County Sheriff's Office is actively investigating the disappearance of a 15-year-old girl who was last seen on the evening of Saturday, may 18th in Gypsum. Lorena Uribe, mother of Giselle Lujan, said the family has been working with local authorities and authorities in New Mexico where the girl's father lives, so that's why they believe that she is in New Mexico.
Speaker 2:She left her cell phone behind, which is very strange because she lived off of it, uribe said, who said she became aware her daughter was missing Sunday morning when she wasn't in her room. A volunteer community search was organized on Monday evening, starting in Eagle River State Park in Gypsum to search for the girl. The Eagle County Sheriff's Office declined to provide any additional information on its investigation. On its investigation, uribe said the Artesia Police Department in New Mexico searched the residence of Lujan's father on Sunday night but found no signs of Lujan or any evidence that the teen had contacted her father. Those with information about the missing girl are advised to reach out to the Eagle County Sheriff's Office and hang on, because I think that I had a number or a couple of numbers that I can give out in a relation. So I have the Eagle County Sheriff's Office and they have her mother's number, but I'm not going to give that out.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:I'm just going to give out the sheriff's office, so if you already know her mother personally, then you probably already have the number and you can give her a call, like the odds of that someone who knows her mom is listening, but maybe who knows, who knows?
Speaker 2:Okay, okay, so the Eagle County Sheriff's Office number is 970-328-8500. So if anybody has heard of or seen Giselle, yeah, give them a call and let them know. Hopefully she will be found safe and sound. So she's been missing only five days, yeah, so they don't think she ran away or they're not really saying she was last seen leaving a friend's house. Okay, she left walking and she was never heard from again, and so I guess she left the friend's house at night, and then it was expected that she had gone home, but her mother found that she hadn't come home in the morning.
Speaker 2:Okay, so yeah, hopefully everything's okay. Yeah, hope so.
Speaker 1:What's your source?
Speaker 2:Yes, so my sources are Missing Girls and Young Women of New Mexico and VailDailycom. Okay, so we will.
Speaker 1:We'll put those in the show notes, we'll make some citations and put them in the show notes, my favorite thing, yes. You do like proper citations, but I don't put them in the show notes.
Speaker 2:My favorite thing.
Speaker 1:Yes, you do like proper citations, but I don't put them in the show notes. Oh yeah, so you really don't have to go through all that trouble.
Speaker 2:What do you put in there then? I never read the show notes.
Speaker 1:I put in the. If there's a title, I put in the title. If there's an author, I put in the author and I put in the like. If it's an author, I put in the author and I put in the like if it's abc news or I put it on abc or whatever. But I don't like, okay, do too much. Sometimes I do links sometimes I don't because it's on my phone and I know I can get it then onto my computer and whatever.
Speaker 2:Well, I just stopped doing an alphabetical order and I felt kind of lazy for not doing it just just give me the title the author and the place you got it from yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, I think people know how to Google.
Speaker 2:People can't enjoy my beautiful citations.
Speaker 1:I've never put them in, so they never have. Okay, okay. So my source primarily was World's Most Wanted, the Samantha Luthway episode. I forget which episode number it is, and Wikipedia, because it was midnight last night.
Speaker 2:Okay, so Sometimes Wikipedia's got good stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they're not always terrible. No, they're not always terrible.
Speaker 2:And it had a lot of citations and I like them sometimes because, especially these days, everything is so monetized, yeah, and Wikipedia is not, so I kind of feel like sometimes that it can give you know like, yeah, like a non-capitalist view, like, yeah, like a non-capitalist.
Speaker 1:I forget. Do I normally do the book before we start talking or after?
Speaker 2:You know, usually I don't know, sometimes we don't forget and we don't mention it until the very end. But since we're thinking about it, right, now.
Speaker 1:I may as well do it now.
Speaker 2:Let's go ahead and mention it.
Speaker 1:Okay, so our new book which again we will be doing in episode 20, is the Witch of New York, the Trials of Polly Bodine and the Cursed Birth of Tabloid Justice by Alex Hortis. H-o-r-t-i-s. I like the cover.
Speaker 2:It's pretty cool, it does.
Speaker 1:I think it's a map of New York, but in the silhouette of a young lady from.
Speaker 2:I don't know Like Puritan looking.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:She's got like a bonnet.
Speaker 1:It says tabloid justice, so that would have to be 19th century and probably around there.
Speaker 2:She's got some kind of bonnet or she's got a bonnet or head covering.
Speaker 1:Well, I guess I could look through the book and see if there's a a date 1843 reminiscent of what one envisions puritan women to look like. Yeah, no, that's true. That's true. Did you know? I don't know if this is absolutely true because the Puritans aren't really my wheelhouse, but I believe I read somewhere that the in fact, I think it was probably the book the Witches by Rebecca no not Rebecca Solnit.
Speaker 1:What's her name? Solnit? No, not Rebecca Solnit. What's her name? Stacey Schiff, who did the Cleopatra biography Okay, the big one, like 10 years ago. Anyway, that you know how the Puritans are always. They always look like they're wearing black and they're all solemn and whatever. Yep, those were the rich ones. Huh, that makes sense, because the darker dyes were more expensive.
Speaker 2:That black pure cloth would be expensive. Yeah, yeah, I never thought about it, but that makes perfect sense yeah, it does um, but again, don't quote me on that.
Speaker 1:I believe I read it somewhere. I know I didn't dream it because I don't dream of puritans I'm not gonna let puritans ruin black for me no, no, did you get? Did you get that, uh, real or meme, or something, I don't know what it's called that I sent you, oh, I think.
Speaker 2:I think it was on instagram. Yeah, probably not then, because I've been toggling between my nailstagram nailstagram your, your, um nail stuff. Sorry I, I was gonna say something clever about me coming up with words, but that's okay, ironically, what the words left me no, it's just um.
Speaker 1:It's just that there is a gothic day, a goth day, and I think it's in germany every year, oh, and I think I sent it to you and and our friend that says can we go here please? When is the goth day? I don't know. I think it was recently.
Speaker 2:Okay, I'll have to, because you know who would like. That is jay yeah, cool.
Speaker 1:Hey, I wear a lot of black. They're uh, I don't know if I am truly goth, but, right, I think I'm like goth-adjacent.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think we are kind of goth-adjacent.
Speaker 1:On the fringes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I kind of like colors too, but I don't know like I identify with like goth stuff a lot. Yeah, I recently learned like well, I mean like I already know about like whatever, like pastel goth, but I recently learned the term like bubblegum goth, yeah, and I was like, hey, that kind of suits.
Speaker 1:Kind of fits you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, if there's a lazy bubblegum goth.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. I'm lazy goth. I like black clothing, but I'm not going to do any of the other shit.
Speaker 2:But yeah, Jay really likes German stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and they are.
Speaker 2:I'm not 100% that it was in.
Speaker 1:Germany, but I think it was in Germany.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Or Germany adjacent.
Speaker 2:What would Germanophile Sure, why not?
Speaker 1:Sounds good. Yeah, it does sound good. I don't know if it's accurate.
Speaker 2:If you know the appropriate word.
Speaker 1:You can send it to us.
Speaker 2:Send something.
Speaker 1:There are just crickets out there, right, yeah, okay, so have you.
Speaker 2:I recently used our. I misused our email to get like a coupon.
Speaker 1:At least it's good for something.
Speaker 2:Corruption.
Speaker 1:Yeah, hey, you gotta wiggle this through the system.
Speaker 2:Apparently, I had used my email before, but like a million years ago. I was like I don't even remember it. So I was like I gotta send it.
Speaker 1:So I have so many fake emails to sign up for stuff. Yeah, I don't even know them all anymore yeah, I bet because you use them once for things like that and you forget about them because you can't really use them again. Yeah, now I'm just lazy and I don't care if I have to sign up by email and my actual email has already been used. I'm like fuck it, right? So you've been working a lot, but have you been reading or watching? I know you've had a migraine for the whole week.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it hasn't been that many days since we no, it really hasn't monday we recorded right yeah, yeah, we finished that book strange sally diamond uh-huh, uh, do you still recommend it? Yeah, yeah, I do okay, I enjoy how many stars. I gave it five stars oh, so it's a good one.
Speaker 2:It it was a good one. Yeah, it kept me captivated and it had like some different POVs and I kind of kept me guessing like what's going to happen, like how is like one of the characters I won't really go into seems kind of morally ambiguous and you don't really know, like it kind of seems like he'd go either way. You know, I like morally ambiguous and you don't really know. Like he kind of seems like he'd go either way you know, I like morally ambiguous characters.
Speaker 2:You don't really know like how he's gonna be or how he's gonna act, until like the end. Yeah. So, um, and then, uh, I started uh that. And then I started that Monstrelio book that I've had in my Audible for quite some time and I was trying to. I was holding on to it because I was like, are we going to read it together? But since you have been slacking on reading our books together, I was like I'm going to read it.
Speaker 1:I've just been busy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know you have been busy, I've been busy, busy. Yeah, I know you have been busy, I've been busy too.
Speaker 1:I know.
Speaker 2:That's why my my reading has been slowed down significantly. Yeah, as well.
Speaker 1:I know, but at least you've done some. Yeah, a little bit I haven't. I think I'm too distracted and nervous about my trip to like yeah, I bet it's on anything.
Speaker 2:I haven't gotten that far in Monstrelia. I was listening to it on my lunch break, yeah, and we've watched a few more episodes. Well, actually we got through season one of Lower Decks and we started season two.
Speaker 1:Cool yeah. What streaming station is that on? It's on Paramount+.
Speaker 2:Paramount+. Okay, Unfortunately, all the Trek is on Paramount+.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's right, it is Paramount+ kind of sucks.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like the platform. Yeah, I don't have any particular feelings about it as a production company.
Speaker 1:Right, it's just the actual user. It's not as user-friendly as you'd like. It's not that user-friendly?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's not that user friendly. Yeah, there is. There's not very many ads if you watch it on like tv, but if I watch it on my cell phone there's like a bajillion ads. It's like not worth it. Yeah, there's like so many fucking ads like every five seconds, and then, if you like have to, it does this thing, which hulu does this too, and it's super annoying where, if you have watched the episode which sometimes we fall asleep, and it watches through the episode and we have to watch it again or watch it actually this time then we click on the episode and it shows like the last couple seconds, which doesn't make sense, because when we fell asleep on it it played all the way through. So in theory, it should just start over again, right, right, but it just plays the last couple seconds and then when I click to go back to the beginning, then it plays like a bajillion ads and it's very obnoxious.
Speaker 1:It is. Netflix has started ads. That pisses me off, yeah, yeah. And the thing. See, I guess I don't really mind ads because we used to get them all the time when we did regular television, right, but at least those on the television were timed well right, and now these are so random they'll get you, like, right in the middle of a sentence even when, even when there shows that were made for television, yeah, and have pre-programmed ad breaks, they don't put the ads at that time.
Speaker 2:It's so annoying it is, it's very annoying. And then I feel like at least when we had like whatever regular tv, I felt like we got more variety of ads instead of having to watch the same fucking like walmart ad like 20 times, right, because the algorithm is like well, you must like these, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker 2:Well, and it's so stupid, it it's like I'm going to shop for Walmart, whether you show me a fucking ad or not. Like, because it's cheap and I'm poor. So of course I'm shopping at Walmart, Like. You don't have to show me this ad, Right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know I always get the stupid car ads. I'm like I'm not going to buy a car, I can't afford to.
Speaker 2:Right, I get those too. They're like, oh, it's always those fucking Subaru commercials.
Speaker 1:Or the Ram.
Speaker 2:Oh, yes, yeah, those fucking trucks Ford F-150s.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm not going to buy that. Even if I had money, I would never every million lifetimes, buy a Ford F-150.
Speaker 2:I don't even drive. I don't have a license. I can't afford a car. Even if I did and if I could do all of those things, it would not be a ford f-150.
Speaker 1:No you have to mortgage your house. Stop that you don't have watch now, darn. We lost our ford sponsorship I don't think they'd want us no I I don't think so either. You watched? You finished reading. Yeah, you've been working, yes, and parenting and parenting.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Parenting is the job that never ends.
Speaker 1:I bet it seems exhausting.
Speaker 2:My regular job has been so much easier. My regular job has been so much easier so that doing the regular job is like taking a vacation from my real job of being a parent Right.
Speaker 1:I bet.
Speaker 2:Anything else, not really that eventful. Yeah, I have like a four day. I've had a four day migraine. Right now I'm feeling okay because I'm hopped up on many meds, but we'll see. And also it's been fading in the evening and I'm like maybe it's gone and then I wake up with it again.
Speaker 1:The worst thing in the world is to wake up with a migraine. I hate that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you go to bed fine, and it's like no matter when you wake up. And this morning I woke up at like four because my daughter woke up and she needed water and instead of getting up to get water which she's old enough to get her own water she decided to yell at me from the bedroom until I got up to get her water. That's when I was like, oh, this migraine is here still, yeah, and so I took some meds. I went back to bed. Those meds didn't do much because when I woke up again, like less than two hours later, it was there even worse, yeah. And I was like well, it's going to be another long day, and this one has been. This Monday and today have been the worst migraine days of the week.
Speaker 2:Working with migraines sucks yeah, especially if it involves like reading or yeah, staring at the fucking computer.
Speaker 1:That doesn't help anything, yeah, yeah, and then you're stressed out because you have the migraine, which worsens the migraine yep, yep, yeah, yeah, I had one last week and I was playing a lot of like is it too much caffeine? Not enough caffeine, too much water Not enough water. Is it too much eating? Not enough eating.
Speaker 2:Am I stressed? Am I what? Always that yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, turns out it was all of the above and none of the above. I don't know, it came, it stayed for four days and it went away.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Well, hopefully mine is at the end of its cycle. I hope, yeah, Crossing my fingers.
Speaker 1:Crossing my toes. So since we put personal info out there anyway, do you think the-. What personal info did I put out there? Well, just about our aches and pains and medications oh, whatever yeah, do you think the preventative medicine for the migraines uh, making you have fewer migraines worth it, even though when you get the migraines they? Last like three or four days, or would you rather have the shorter, a lot of shorter migraines? I don't know I'm not sure.
Speaker 2:I'm not sure.
Speaker 1:That's a great question and I feel like these longer migraines seem to be. They're resistant, they're bad, they're worse than any of the others but they're also seem to be resistant to medication.
Speaker 2:Sorry, I'm see that's another ADHD thing is I keep I anticipate what you're going to say and then I'm like, but sometimes I don't know, so I should just shut the fuck up, it's okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:It's. It's been bad, but the last time I was like I was like I'm going to stop that prevent, remember that I was like I'm going to stop that. Remember that I was like I'm going to stop that preventative med because then I'm on because the side effects are annoying. And I stopped it. And then I got like a five day migraine and I was like and yeah, it was bad. And I was like I was like please give me that med again, give me those side effects. Yeah, so I guess it is worth it, but then when yeah, moments like this, I'm like I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I don't know either.
Speaker 2:It would sure help if I could get that other med that emergency med.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that would be really great yeah, that would be really great yeah, although this last time that one didn't help, which is why I think it might have been like a stress migraine. She said it doesn't work on stress migraines.
Speaker 2:I mean I'm sure it doesn't help, Like nothing seems to help 100% of the time. No no, but you know, if you're like me, it's probably just, you're probably like anything right? Anything that can help. Yeah, you're going to try it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's true, that's true. I do all of the things. Yeah, all of the things, yeah, even the out there things which I won't talk about on podcast.
Speaker 2:But yeah, yeah, oh my God, anything you read about you're like searching the internet, like how you know, did you try fever a few before? I remember I got a bunch of fever a few because they're like fever if you prevent migraines. So nasty, it tasted like ass and it didn't prevent migraines. No, I didn't know that well. I don't recommend it.
Speaker 1:No I'll tell you, not on here, but I'll tell you in private, the one that I've read in the new york times opinion piece, but I can't find it.
Speaker 1:It was like 15 years ago, but I remembered it and sometimes I do it and it does help, but I'm not going to put out here. If y'all want to know what it is, then you should like dm me or email or something, but I'm not going to put it on the podcast I have my daith pierced that's another popular one, yeah and I did feel like maybe it held for a little bit or because?
Speaker 2:because usually I get my migraines on the left side, and so I got my Dath on my left side and for a while after, when I did get migraines, it was on the right side. So I was like it must work, I'm going to get the right side Dath done too, and then I started getting them back on the left side again.
Speaker 1:Yeah, mine are almost always on the right side. It looks cute.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so, but I don't know yeah maybe one day I will get my right day pierce just just for shits and giggles. But I don't know. I don't know if it really did anything for a migraine prevention yeah.
Speaker 1:So what did I do? I watched the world's most wanted. I watched the newer documentary on the hunt for the um boston marathon bombers, yeah, which was really interesting. I forgot a lot of that and uh oh, and I watched the first part of season three of Bridgerton, the first four episodes which I told you about earlier. I don't think that carriage scene was all that steamy.
Speaker 2:Yes, katie was telling me about that earlier.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I see all these things on Instagram and, I think, buzzfeed and all that stuff that say PopSugar maybe.
Speaker 2:Shonda Rhimes. You haven't impressed, katie, yet. Better step up your game.
Speaker 1:Well, I also have a very high tolerance for steam because of all the smut I consume. I guess I mean it wasn't not steamy, it just wasn't the steamy I was promised. I mean, I guess there's only so much that you can show. I know, I know, but, like I said, I thought slap the dick on the screen no, none of that, that's not what I mean, but like I thought the the scene in titanic was steamier than this one yeah and it showed less.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know I mean sometimes showing less is steamier, yeah yeah, I mean the, the handprint, yeah. Yeah, that was pretty salacious.
Speaker 1:I remember seeing that when I was quite young, I was like damn Ooh.
Speaker 1:Yeah, don't come at me. I'm sure it was steamy. I just have a high tolerance for it and I liked it. I mean I didn't really watch the other two seasons. I watched like one episode each and I didn't really care for it. But I like this season Surprisingly, because I mentioned I don't like the trope of the. I don't like the best friend's brother trope. I don't like any of the best friend's brother or brother's best friend or whatever. I don't like any of those. Stay friends.
Speaker 2:I liked the whatever last season. I don't like any of those Stay friends. I liked the whatever last season. I liked that. I don't like the dude, but the girl is cute, and I liked that she was older and she didn't seem so starry-eyed as the character in the first season. Yeah, so the guy in the first season. Yeah, so the guy in the first season is quite good looking. Yeah, although I think he's sworn to never return to Bridgerton again.
Speaker 2:But yeah, I didn't like that there seemed to be quite a power imbalance with, like, neo, like her level of inexperience and I mean, although I will say probably that was the situation for a lot of people, yeah, but I didn't like how she was like so young and so inexperienced. It didn't feel right to me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, although she probably would have been right. She probably would. She's what? 16 I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I think she was supposed to be 18. Right, I hope, I hope she was supposed to be 18, but yeah, I just thought that in the second season it seemed like, you know, the actress was supposed to, or the character, not the actress, I shouldn't say, because, like we were talking about earlier, the actress from this season plays quite a young character and the actress is like 37. Yeah, and she looks fantastic. She does. I'm almost that age and I don't look like that. That's okay, I'm hanging my head.
Speaker 1:You don't look your age though.
Speaker 2:Well, thank you. I think that I look quite old, but I am comparing myself to past me's.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, yeah, you're going to be older than past past you but I don't think you look your age.
Speaker 2:Well, thank you. I think that jay doesn't look their age. They were complaining the other day. They were like I have a visible wrinkle.
Speaker 1:They're two years older than me hey, I've got crow's feet, so for years yeah, I've got crow's feet, so, and I'm 40, and I'm pretty sure I found a gray hair which made me sad.
Speaker 2:I have had a couple of gray hairs.
Speaker 1:Although Anderson Cooper went gray in his 20s, so that doesn't really mean anything, yeah yeah, yeah, I think it's cute when there's like a streak of gray or something so.
Speaker 2:I hope that mine is going to do that, but I don't think it will. So anyway, so the character was older, the character was like in her mid-20s and she didn't seem like she was like ooh, sex, I don't know what that is Right. So I appreciated those aspects, those changes, Not changes. I just liked that in the character better. It didn't feel as icky to me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so one of the things I liked about Penelope, in this season at least, is that there's a scene where she gets a new style of dress Because she's decided she needs to get a husband or whatever, and some guys come up to like, I guess, do the regency version of flirting, and her flirting was about as awkward and terrible as my flirting is I.
Speaker 2:I think my flirting is also awkward and terrible, but I managed to snag one person with it. I was going to say that I demand more gay characters. Shonda Rhimes, I want a gay romance. I don't care who it is, just give me a gay romance. Like you've had many seasons of the heteros, give us a season of gays. Yeah, yeah. Maybe, that's my message. Yeah, I'm sure that Shonda Rhimes is listening in right now.
Speaker 2:Of course, or gives a shit or some high level Netflix executive and like taking notes, like more gay characters, gay romance yeah, I don't even care if it's a sapphic or a Killian, just give us some flavor of gay romance.
Speaker 1:The prostitutes in this one are girl on girl. That's a popular thing? I know it is. I'm just teasing you.
Speaker 2:They're like oh my god, look at these dirty gay prostitutes. Game of Thrones, I'm looking at you.
Speaker 1:It's their job and they do it well.
Speaker 2:We all know that gay is sexy. Okay, let's show. Let's also see some wholesome romance okay. I mean, I guess it's. The romance is supposed to be also sexy and steamy, but yeah.
Speaker 1:Not. But sexy and steamy isn't necessarily raunchy, which?
Speaker 2:is what the prostitution scenes are supposed to be. It's just prostitutes going at each other because some male gays dude paid them for it. Yeah, so.
Speaker 1:So that's Rachel's demand. Yes, uh, I think that's it. That's all I've really done. No reading I promise I will read, mary, I will take it with me, it'll be my beach read it's good. I'm sure it's good. It has the four pages I read are good, I just you look so grim about it.
Speaker 1:No, I just don't know why I haven't read it, like I just haven't been able to focus on anything. I mean, even one of my favorite writers came out with a new book and I haven't even looked at it. Should we read that? I don't think you want to read it. Oh, okay, and you'd have to read a bunch of the previous ones to get it. That sounds like effort. Yeah, it's romance. It's a Jane Castle. Oh, okay, I think you might like them. They're not particularly steamy and they involve, like, alien tech and like well, you're not into that, so maybe not Paranormal type, powers type powers, basically, what kind of paranormal powers?
Speaker 1:so like, basically, the idea is that there are these families, these bloodlines, that um through time because she writes under several different whatever, but they all kind of mesh together, um, that have different abilities, like basically, it's like what we have as humans but it's enhanced. Yeah, right, um. So things like there's a hunter one where they're just really good at detecting things. Uh, there's one where, like, they can see footprints and stuff. There are dreamers, there are people who can sing, but they their singing ability okay like does like that.
Speaker 2:I like fantasy. I just don't like when people think that fantasy is reality yeah, no, it's.
Speaker 1:It's that kind of stuff mixed into reality okay and her jane castle uh, pen name that takes place on a place called harmony. So the idea is these people from earth, something happened, um, and they're able to go to an alien planet which they name harmony. Okay, this thing closes, so they can't go back to earth, and so this whole other earth-like civilization has popped up. Right, but they all have these abilities and many of them are enhanced because of the alien technology that's on the planet. Okay, um, so it's fun, but, like I said, in order for you to really enjoy this one, you'd probably have to read the other ones.
Speaker 2:I mean, you don't have to, we could give one a try, and yeah, because some of them go all the way back to the 80s and some of those are just like Jane come now.
Speaker 1:I know it was the 80s, but you know, be better. She did get better. Yeah, the ladies are better in these later ones, but yeah, I mean, maybe we could read the new one. I have to look at the new one to see. But she always uses the word in every single book. At least once she uses the word I always pronounced it frisson, but that's not the word Frisson, frisson, yeah, always, always, every single book.
Speaker 2:Well, no wonder, because it's so fucking fancy. It is fancy.
Speaker 1:It is like a frisson of awareness, yeah.
Speaker 2:I thought it was frisson too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what I thought, but the readers when you learn words yeah, reading like you, don't you? Don't hear them anywhere, so you make them up. Yeah, that's, maybe I've said this on here before, I don't know, but that's why people I think sometimes people say I have an accent because I mispronounce words, because I never heard them before. I I learned them by reading.
Speaker 2:Yeah, People think lots of things are accents. People always thought my sisters had British accents because they had speech impediments. Yeah, and I like it. It sounds like a speech impediment, but to me I'm like that doesn't sound anything like a British accent. No, it doesn't but people aren't very good at distinguishing that sort of thing. No.
Speaker 1:And maybe they don't mean accent, they just don't know what else to call it. But I mean, I do. I know I mispronounce things all the time.
Speaker 2:I have a mild speech impediment too, although mostly I taught myself out of it, but I still. Sometimes I have trouble saying R's and I make like a W sound instead, Especially if it's in the middle of certain words. So if you ever catch me doing that, that's why that's what that was. Yeah, yeah, so Interesting, but in general, if anybody is listening, if you think somebody might have a speech impediment, just don't comment on it at all.
Speaker 1:Maybe they really didn't think they had impediments. Maybe, they really did think there was an accent. Yeah, that's true. Who knows, who knows. So I guess that's it. Yeah, yes, okay, one more time.
Speaker 2:Our book. I'm hearing buzz, buzz, so I suspect Jay is messaging me.
Speaker 1:So we're almost done. So one more time, just so we remember Episode 20, the new book is the Witch of New York, the Trials of Polly Bodine and the Cursed Birth of Tabloid. Joystice Justice by Alex Hortus. Joystice justice by alex hortus. And last time we forgot to remind everybody to like, subscribe, follow, download, yeah, um, and also do that to our socials. Follow us on our socials, which will be in the show notes. And I fixed the email one. I realized, like on the last two or three episodes I only had half of the email address and I didn't realize that till last night or the night before. Yeah, so that should be fixed now.
Speaker 2:Whoops, so email us, tell us whatever, send us an email and say, hey, yeah, and I will read it. Yes, and I'll be excited. I'll probably text Katie, I'll be like we got an email. Yeah, it'll be exciting for us.
Speaker 1:For sure we have a fan, yeah, so this will be coming out next. No, it won't be coming out next week because our thing came out this past week, so it's supposed to come back right after I get come come back. It's supposed to come out right after I get back from crime con, but it may be late, so I apologize if this was late depends on how many drunken nights katie spent well, I ain't bringing my computer, so no editing is going to be done that makes sense.
Speaker 1:I I assuming that I don't get so every night drunken. No, assuming that all of my planes go according to plan. I should be here on Monday the 3rd, and so hopefully it will get sent out on Wednesday. Cannabis no, probably not. That just makes me sleepy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, it makes me sleepy too, but it's awesome for if you can't sleep.
Speaker 1:That is true. Some of the best sleep I had was on that stuff, and also some of the worst. Did I tell you about the brownie?
Speaker 2:It depends on what kind you get.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but usually the whatever people at the dispensary can help you with that, yeah, I haven't gone to spell. All of my experience was in college. Wait, where are?
Speaker 2:you going again is chop, even legal. Where are you going? Well in california oh, okay but yeah, I don't think tennessee oh, no, yeah, didn't they just make the bible? They're like in state book or some shit. I have no idea, I don't know. Yeah, I imagine that they have not legalized marijuana there, no, no, they should well sure, they should legalize it emotionally yeah, and they should exonerate everybody who is in jail on a marijuana conviction.
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